Pfarrer’s first forage into tastelessness. He apparently co-wrote the master piece: Navy SEALs with Charlie Sheen

TARGET GERONIMO, IT’S A FAKE. 

We have a saying in the SEAL Teams about the 90-10 rule.  It goes: 90% of the guys that make it through Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S)  training are solid Operators and go on to do great things. The other 10% are constantly bringing the community and their team down.

We are always trying to cull the 10% out of the herd.  In the military these guys are commonly referred to as  “strap hangers”.  You make up your own mind, but after talking to friends in the SEAL community that are still on active duty (and the SOCOM Press Release) Chuck Pfarrer (author of SEAL Target Geronimo) is clearly falling into the 10% category in my opinion.  His clenched fists are grabbing at the straps of the good men that participated in this operation.

It makes me sick to my stomach that this guy (FYI-anyone that co-wrote that lame Charlie Sheen screen play for Navy SEALs should be shot on sight) is lying. Why didn’t he just publish this as a work of fiction? It would have sold just as many copies.  Even worse is that this news will surely drive his sales into the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of copies sold.  Also, the conspiracy freaks will be sure to latch onto this literary piece of garbage and argue for its existence into oblivion.

Reported from Military.com

“This is a fabrication,” Nye countered, issuing an on-the-record denial on behalf of Navy SEAL Adm. Bill McRaven, who took command of all special operations this summer.

In his previous role, McRaven executed the raid in May as head of the military’s elite Joint Special Operations Command. Nye said McRaven was concerned the book would lead Americans to doubt the administration’s version of events. He also disputed Pfarrer’s portrayal of friction between the CIA and the military special operations forces who carried out the raid.

“We have never come forward and gone after an author and say that is a lie,” Nye said. “That tells you how far off the mark we believe this book is.”

My friends at Dev have been professional and tight-lipped about this operation.  Most of the time you hear a little gouge from the inner circle, something, but this op was different.  None of the guys talked about this.  As Marcinko would say: “Doom on you Pfarrer”.  It’s safe to say I will not be seeing you at any of the upcoming UDT/SEAL reunions unless your head is on a stake.

Click here for the full story on Military.com.

Brandon

{ 103 comments }

N.R. Jenzen-Jones November 15, 2011 at 5:12 am

Hear, hear.

Uncle Willie November 15, 2011 at 5:24 am

Best part of that movie? When they use a Stinger to blow up an armored vehicle.

BrandonWebb November 15, 2011 at 5:27 am

….and for those that don't know, Willie is right, the Stinger was designed for an operator to shoot down airborne platforms…very effective at it too. -Brandon

Uncle Willie November 15, 2011 at 5:38 am

Just ask a Russian helicopter pilot circa 1980.

South Florida Airsof November 15, 2011 at 6:19 am

Well Im sure we could ask his relatives. – I think even kids that play video games could have told us that too.

Mark November 15, 2011 at 6:22 am

As an anecdote, a Naval Aviator, returning from a mission over Vietnam saw a truck on a road or trail. He had a Sidewinder missile (a heat seeker like the Stinger, but with a significantly larger warhead) and was curious about whether it would seek on the truck's engine. He rolled to give the seeker a view of the truck, got a tone and fired. The missile tracked and hit the truck. Along with his MiG kills on the splitter plate of his F-4, he had the sillouette of a truck. :-) Just sayin. Now a Stinger's warhead is very small and is designed for fragmentation and not armor penetration, so it's very highly unlikely that it would destroy an armored vehicle, but it would probably seek and guide on it.

jumper November 15, 2011 at 7:58 am

I've heard multiple variations of that story… I don't think any of them are 100% true. The Stinger's detector won't lock onto something as relatively cool as an internal combustion engine even if the ground was cold. It doesn't work on thermal variation alone… it looks for the right type of thermal signature (jet exhaust). Some Phantom driver may have gotten lucky and sent one unguided into a convoy but I don't believe anyone ever locked onto, and guided one, into a truck.

straps November 15, 2011 at 9:20 am

Yeah, but reclaiming your car from a moving flatbed tow truck, that's totally do-able right?

Next thing you know you guys will be disputing the existence of the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy.

Johnny Quest November 15, 2011 at 5:44 am

The head on a stake comment flashed me to chapter 8 from William Golding's "Lord of the Flies".

Anthony November 15, 2011 at 5:45 am

OK I know this article was not meant for this but Brandon hearing that even the SEALS suffer from the 90-10 rule makes me feel better about my own organization which is dealing with our own 10%

straps November 15, 2011 at 9:22 am

I though most non-elite organizations suffered with the converse of that rule; that 10% are GTG and productive, 90% hang out on the web posting in forums.

Brad November 15, 2011 at 5:45 am

Bradon, is it then safe to say that his other literary works about his own experience in the Teams and DEVGRU are fabricated to a poin to make himself look good?

BrandonWebb November 15, 2011 at 6:19 am

Brad-

I think it puts everything into question. This if the first book EVER that SOCOM or the community has come out and said was completely off base. -Brandon

Brad November 15, 2011 at 5:46 am

Sorry for the typos in the previous posts.

Mark November 15, 2011 at 6:15 am

Thanks for the heads-up. I usually vet my non-fiction pretty carefully, so I appreciated this post. I went over to Amazon and saw that the book is getting 3 stars out of 5, with a few gushing 5 stars. So I decided to try to balance it with a 1 star. I urge anyone with an Amazon account to do the same. Mine is published under my own name (it starts with "Mark") and I quoted some of the Military dot com story in my review. Reviews at Amazon are moderated so I don't know if it will be published but will know in about 48 hours.

BrandonWebb November 15, 2011 at 6:19 am

Good work Mark.

Mark November 15, 2011 at 6:37 am

Thanks. Here's an update. 1 star reviews now outnumber 5 star reviews. Several people have cut and paste press releases about SOCOMs statement in their reviews. My review is already published, so again, I urge other readers to hop on over to Amazon and write a review. I am not a former operator, but I am a former Navy spook and I have seen some books and posts about what we did or didn't do to make me very concerned about people who write fiction as the truth and back it up by 20 year old service.

FormerSFMedic November 15, 2011 at 6:31 am

I heard about this BS earlier this morning from a friend of mine and I gotta say. I really hope people don't fall for this. Unfortunately this guy is going to get sales whether we like it or not.

Go Navy! November 15, 2011 at 8:26 am

FormerSFMedic: For the military community, we know better and know what is real and not. Unfortunately, not the same for everyone else. People will by the book and he will make lots of money. For us who have been in the military, we don't go in the the spot light and say "I did this or that". We know we did our jobs and remember the sacrifices others have made. It's frustrating. Sometimes, it these guys that gives our military a bad name.

BrandonWebb November 15, 2011 at 6:56 am

I heard directly from friends on the team that got OBL that his story is complete BS…worse, is that publishing houses don't validate better….

Tom November 15, 2011 at 7:15 am

Never let the truth get in the way of a story.

Mac November 15, 2011 at 7:54 am

If he is part of the 10%; how did he ever get vetted and become a member of DEVGRU? I would have thought that with their selection process, he would have never made it if he truly is one of the 10%.

Brandon November 15, 2011 at 8:24 am

He didn't last very long at Dev.

Mikey November 15, 2011 at 8:25 am

How pissed would you be if you were part of the OBL raid and then this guy who now writes B movie screenplays claims he got the inside details of the mission from your teammates then tries to cash in on it with a bunch of fantasy? The OBL raiders must want to kick Pfrarrer's ass inside out. Even if what Pfarrer was writing was true it still wouldn't be his place to write an insider book about something he was not even remotely a part of, that belongs to the operators on the raid. Pfarrer obviously has no respect for his former brethren. If anybody should be writing a book about the OBL raid it should be this guy: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/8e464776e6/the-n

Sarge Harris November 15, 2011 at 8:43 am

Damn it! I just bought the book at Costco! Oh well I might as well finish the darn thing and hope to pick up more history lessons on there. lol

Brandon November 15, 2011 at 9:41 am

Put it next to your fiction collection.

JSHJr November 15, 2011 at 9:15 am

Brandon, I do not know you so this is with all respect…dude you need to stop bottling your feeling in. Just let it out, you will feel much better. :-)

Those that do, do, those that did, did, those that didn't or couldn't, wannabe!

Sempri Fi

Brandon November 15, 2011 at 9:40 am

JSH- I wouldn't be able to post it…our profanity software would block my IP address!

reflexivefire November 15, 2011 at 9:39 am

I have not read the book, and probably won't based on Brandon's non-endorsement, but it is very hard to make heads or tails of the OBL raid. The government's official story has changed a dozen times already. OBL had a gun, he didn't have a gun, he used a woman as a human shield, he didn't use a woman as a shield. The UAV feed to the White House blacked out and they didn't see what was happening, or it didn't… It goes on and on. I also don't believe for a moment that there is not helmet cam footage of the raid. The only reason I can think of why they wouldn't is because they don't want some clowns in the ICC trying to get a hold of it. I'm sure you guys have seen some of the noise to the effect that the raid was "illegal" and in violation of international law. Thanks guys, I'm pretty sure international terrorism is against international law, but that is beside the point.

What I'm getting at here is that when the government changes their story a dozen times it leaves a lot of black holes that can be filled with RUMINT and BS. No, we don't need to know the names of the operators involved or which direction the first guy through the door went but having a consistent account would help eliminate a lot of the nonsense. This is what happens when politicians turn a military operation into a PR event.

In the meantime who knows what to believe. You do have to wonder where many writers are getting their information from. Take for instance that New Yorker article a while back or the book in question here. If SEAL Team Six operators were leaking information like this to the press I'm sure that Counter-Intelligence agents would be all over their ass and have their security clearances revoked in a heartbeat.

Brandon November 15, 2011 at 10:01 am

Well put. -Brandon

mpower6428 November 15, 2011 at 10:02 am

i think i saw this guy do an interview on CNN. he came off like the biggest D – Bag. he had the stench of a lifelong braggert on him. i had no idea he was full of crap when i saw it.

Joshua Respecki November 15, 2011 at 10:54 am

Does 'Lone survivor' land under the %10 side of things?

BrandonWebb November 15, 2011 at 11:57 am

Lone Survivor is as legit as it gets. Marcus is a great friend and human being.

.02 November 15, 2011 at 11:16 am

I actually believe Chuck Pfarrer account of the raid more than I believe that F***ed up story the White House tried to feed us. Sean Naylor (Journalist) new what squadron, how many Operators were involved and what birds they rode on, a few days after the raid, LOL! How does a Journalist get that much access to the Operation, but at former DEVGRU Commander can't?

That being said, I don't think it's to far-fetched that Chuck Pfarrer spoke to some the men involved.

Jack Silkstone November 15, 2011 at 11:31 am

It's being decimated by the 1 star reviews on Amazon….

Will November 15, 2011 at 11:50 am

So when it appears in book shops are we to move it to the "fantasy" section?

BrandonWebb November 15, 2011 at 11:57 am

fiction for sure

counsel November 15, 2011 at 11:55 am

I see Amazon has it listed as Non-Fiction. Yet, he called it fiction on the media interview. If fiction, what is the problem? If not, just ignore it. Why give him air-time so to speak?

BrandonWebb November 15, 2011 at 11:58 am

It's too bad he just didn't write a fiction piece on the raid. I did one for Maxim UK that was completely made up.

conspiracy November 15, 2011 at 12:03 pm

Nye, I assume is well educated… PR requires use of language, after all…

His quote, "“We have never come forward and gone after an author and say that is a lie,” Nye said. “That tells you how far off the mark we believe this book is.”

I quote, "how far off the mark we believe this book is." My only question is how incompetent, strike that, unprepared SOCOM appears! Why not say, "how far off the mark this book is." when describing the language? The language used will give any conspiracy nut the ability to say, "SEE?!!! They didn't say it WAS wrong!"

Mac November 15, 2011 at 12:21 pm

I somewhat believe that McRaven is under pressure from the White House seeing that the book goes against their "official" story. Whether or not the man is in th 10% or not, his version of the rain makes a lot more military common sense than the official PR version. Just my opinion,,,

BrandonWebb November 15, 2011 at 12:30 pm

Side note: The Somalia Op where Capt. Phillips was rescued. What I heard. Administration said "no one gets hurt". The SEAL ground commander says "ok, we'll drug them to sleep during the food & water resupply. Administration said "no way, we can't drug them"..SEAL commander tells his guys, "when the sun goes down take them out" (nice!). Three shots, three kills, Captain rescued…….Administration takes full credit. It's amazing that when things go right politicians are quick to take credit and when they go wrong they are the first ones to start placing blame….Good thing this op happened (almost) flawlessly. -Brandon

major.rod November 15, 2011 at 12:44 pm

I have to agree with much of what you said. Seems pretty hard to believe it took DEVGRU 20 minutes to kill four bad guys when they outnumbered them 6 – 1. going at night and it being DEVGRU.

This guy might be full of it but I'm also thinking SOCOM is protesting a bit too much and I also believe this administration is hypersensitive to any military sourced criticism (e.g. McCrystal, Fuller)

Though I agree with much that Brandon and c. have written I'd caution them to sit back and take everything in before making a call or asking for one star votes because Karma's a B—-!

Mac November 15, 2011 at 12:49 pm

He may be the s**t stain on a SEAL's wetsuit, but that doesn't make him wrong.

reflexivefire November 15, 2011 at 1:28 pm

The reason why the administration is so serious about defending their version of the story is because it's going to be used as political capital during the upcoming elections. Obama made a "gutsy" call on this one…or so we are told.

major.rod November 15, 2011 at 12:34 pm

Well said

major.rod November 15, 2011 at 12:48 pm

How do you define "elite"?

reflexivefire November 15, 2011 at 1:24 pm

I hate the word "elite", I think the military should stop using it entirely.

Morgan November 15, 2011 at 4:27 pm

Where I'm from, we have a cheese brand called Elite.

Matt G. November 15, 2011 at 7:39 pm

Morgan, I will store that fact for later use. Thank you sir. Out of curiosity, were are you from?

Counsel November 15, 2011 at 12:49 pm

Ah… The quote by Shaw is … nonsensical. Who teaches the SEAL teams how to be SEALs? Who teaches the Marines how to be Marines? Who gives our military, elite or not, the skills and training to do the jobs they do well? Oh, right, the instructors (i.e., teachers). They can't teach you to "do" unless they know how to "do." There are very few who can "do" without being taught how to do… There are fewer who "do" that can teach others to "do"…

I just don't like the quote, and I'm not even a teacher… It is one of those "I'm better than you because you can't do what I can do" quotes… We are better than that, aren't we?

BTW: I don't plan on buying the book either :)

BrandonWebb November 15, 2011 at 12:57 pm

Major. rod- I definitely believe in Karma and I made sure this was validated with four different sources inside the Dev community before this went live. I got another validation this morning from a friend at Dev.

This was not a knee jerk reaction post. It was a get the word out fast (when I found out for sure) so people don't waste their money without knowing what they're buying post.

major.rod November 15, 2011 at 4:45 pm

OK Brandon. That helps. Would have been very helpful to say you've checked with multiple sources right up front no? I'd also consider your vetting a much more reliable source than Kim Dozier of AP's story.

bbb November 15, 2011 at 2:26 pm

Anyone who has ever watched about 1 in 4 of the action movies made in the 80s to the 90s would know the Stinger is a MANPADS.

That said, a MANPADS is pretty much the ultimate terrorist weapon… second only to say, a WMD. Although I wonder what would actually happen if you fired one at a 747.

major.rod November 15, 2011 at 4:35 pm

Don't wonder too loud. There's tens of thousands of them loose in Libya.

gunglsinger6 November 15, 2011 at 3:01 pm

'Lone Survivor' is a great book, we all need to know the events that took place during the battle of Murphys Ridge, to know the sacrifice these great men made. If you havent read the book you need to!

gunslinger6 November 15, 2011 at 3:02 pm

yes it has been, just gave it 1 star myself

tom November 15, 2011 at 4:25 pm

I agree Brandon it makes me also sick to see the guy try to push his BS book just for the money. How many clowns like this in our countries history? to many.

Joshua Respecki November 15, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Joshua Respecki November 15, 2011 at 8:17 pm

before I get attacked… Lutrell sounds like a great guy, and I have no issue with him.

Now his ghostwriter…………..

major.rod November 15, 2011 at 11:35 pm

There's only three issues about the factuality of Lone Survivor.

How many Hajis pinned down the SEALs? The book says 30-40. The Marines in the AO and insugent video make that number more like 10. Even 10 against 4 when they have the high ground and medium machineguns will put you in a BIG hurt.

The book doesn't talk much about the Marines conducting ops in the AO and the fact that this insertion was part of a bigger plan. The writer of the link is very Marine centric and seems to take great offence about marines not getting credit. He should read about Falujah.

The operation was "Red Wings" and not Redwing. The writer above mentioned it not less than a dozen times.

Just commenting so those that don't take the time to read don't wonder.

Joshua Respecki November 16, 2011 at 5:57 am

Agreed on all points. I think the ghost writer got a little carried away, IF there were 8-10 guys and the team/ ML dropped at least 10 during the fight, but then they were all there at the end near the village. It's like it was just added in for the book.

Realist November 16, 2011 at 11:17 am

There was two separate videos posted on Youtube (taken down now). One shows footage of the firefight and all the equipment of the SEALs left behind. The other showed Ahmad Shah men patrolling in the mountains a couple days before the actual ambush on the SEAL Recon Team. I counted no more than 14 guys in Ahmad Shah patrol. Yes, 80-100+ was overly exaggerated in the book Lone Survivor, but having 14 guys shoot you from a tactical advantage (high ground),14 guys is going to feel like 140.

Also, Marcus Luttrell even says they were ambushed by over hundred guys and he even says they killed hundreds of them in some of his public speeches, LOL. So, the ghost writer himself is Marcus Luttrell. Why not tell the truth? Probably because 14 guys killed 19 US SOF Operators. USSOCOM had to flip the story into some Hollywood movie to save their ass, just like what they are doing now with the UBL raid and Chuck Pharrer.

James G. November 15, 2011 at 8:37 pm

Even though Pfarrer did the push-ups, I still say someone gets Don Shipley on this. Anyone else?

SleepyDave November 15, 2011 at 9:06 pm

Does kind of throw my copy of Warrior Soul into question, though.

MatthewR November 16, 2011 at 4:05 am

Think about the lack of common sense in the WH version. Do you really think the SEALs had a 45 minute fire fight to take down 5 people? Is Pfarrer one of the 10%? You guys, some of you, are Team guys. Why don't you ask some of the shooters that served with him in Beirut, Central America and the years he spent at DEVGRU. Or pick one of the several stories the WH is telling, including shooting Amal bin Ladin in the leg to "control" her. SEALs don't shoot to control people, especially not 110 pound women. The DEVGRU guys know what went down and they know Pfarrer is telling the truth. Read the Atlantic Wire article. And the one star campaign is as close to censorship as you can get. I encourage people to read and make their own minds up. And reading your comment policy, it seems that Brandon does not consider slurs like D bag a personal attack…watch the slander and discuss the book. This is a great country and free and fair debate is one of the greatest things there is.

Tim P. November 16, 2011 at 5:40 am

Dear Hypocrites…

"This was not a knee jerk reaction post"
Then what was it exactly?
Pfarrer did his time at DEVGRU. What did you guys do? He was JUST an assault element commander…
Way to respect what he saw and did…most of which we will never know…things some of you will only lie about.

The 10% thing…really…then you hit Pfarrer with a quote by none other than Marcinko….
Rogue Warrior was some class act writing. All for charity.
Pfarrer resume- Navy SEAL script… Marcinko resume- jail time.
I will take Warrior Soul's candor over Rogue Bravado any day.
Real nice respect to Pfarrer…

after you waste how much space on this site for Jake Zweig…. Hypocrites.
BTW what's with all the site ads on here and all the plugs for your favorite gear companies…

"I got another validation this morning from a friend at Dev"
really…that's what Pfarrer claims as well…so which one of you guys is gonna prove who really knows who…
It would be classic prank for it to be the same DEV dude screwing with all you guys.

I will take the 3 minute send the #$#@ to Hell story any day over the story put out by The Great HYPE err Hope…

– Just an 11b that doesn't quite get the whole "Special" thing sometimes… sorry

reflexivefire November 16, 2011 at 5:45 am

"BTW what's with all the site ads on here and all the plugs for your favorite gear companies…"

Oh, that? That's how we are able to give you 100% free content everyday. Also, we don't do paid endorsements for gear vendors.

BrandonWebb November 16, 2011 at 8:36 am

"BTW what's with all the site ads on here and all the plugs for your favorite gear companies…"

Surefire is an advertiser on this site (Princeton Tec is not) and we just did a very critical post on them. The gear the guys and I review are based on new equipment or stuff we believe in (e.g. you will not find a Blackhawk review from me on here because I don't like their gear….oh and they're also an advertiser on military.com). Do your homework before you put your foot in your mouth again. -Brandon

homer November 16, 2011 at 7:06 am

I suspect major.rod, Mac, and reflexivefire are on the right track. Of course nobody doubts Brandon's extremely well informed commentary but even if Pfarrer is turning himself into the Eric Haney of NSW, I doubt there are no politics being played in this from the White House on down.

BrandonWebb November 16, 2011 at 8:34 am

Tim P-

When the Admiral who planned the raid and is now in charge of all of US SOCOM (McRaven) comes out and says the story is BS, plus my friends on Dev that I served with say it's BS I tend to agree. McRaven is as solid as they come and a straight shooter. When guys I know and respect like this who were ON the Op and PLANNED the Op, I'll take their word anyday over some 10%'r. Case closed…FYI Marcinko is the father of Team 6 so I think it's a fair quote. -Brandon

USMCRecondo67 November 16, 2011 at 10:34 am

This actually a good read. With all the versions the politicians of this administration has put out into the media, what makes this more offensive?

Pfarrer is correct assasination is still considered illegal. I understand person in certain terrorists orgs are considered mere human infrastructure and as such can be eliminated. BUT you cannot just barge into a room and kill if one surrenders.

Pfarrers account is the most is the most logical to date. Why the censorship, who knows, the administration has got JSOC by the nuts maybe because next year is 2012? Who knows, but this book is a good read. Don't burrn books read them is what my pappy has always told me.

blackforcefive November 16, 2011 at 10:42 am

Remember first UBL was hiding behind his wife and pow pow double tap, then UBL was spraying lead ala Rambo and gave ST6 a run for their money, then it was another story, then another. So many stories, then Panetta says he gave the order to kill, are you sure Leon? The fact is they did not know who was going to be there in the compound, a family or a company of crazy suicidal Saudis, Yemenis and Egyptians, had they known it would have been SAG all the way, snatch and grab, like Milan baby. Read this book, forchrissakes, and make up your own mind, it's a free country last I heard.

Joshua Respecki November 16, 2011 at 1:23 pm

As far as I can recall he did NOT write the book. He explained his involvement somewhere, but it's been to long to remember. Some of the numbers flung around are kind of wild…

I kind of feel like I might look like a hater or I am talking smack. Couldn't be further from the truth. Just flapping ma lips.

Tim P. November 16, 2011 at 2:46 pm

Thanks guys! and all the best.

Happy Hunting.

truthbtold November 16, 2011 at 4:05 pm

In addition. OBAMA but a hold on the take-down as he wanted to get his FBI HRT to negotiate with the pirates. Someone please explain to the Prez that we don't negotiate!. The onsite commander made the decision to take out the pirates —- which was done quick, effectively, and without Obama's blessing. Prez wasnt happy but turned it around for PR credit. Back to OBL…. a government released story that continues to change. Now why is Pfarrer's account for the action being questioned?

Truth November 16, 2011 at 5:01 pm

Can somebody explain to me what the "Official" story is on how the raid went down? Last to my knowledge there isn't an OFFICIAL account. At this point I don't know who to believe. It's not like they are giving TTPs away if they give us the "Offical" story or let use see some combat footage. I think the new Navy SEALs movie (Act of Valor) is validating OPSEC/TTPS more than what Chuck Pharrer is doing in his new book.

If anything Navy SEALs (as a whole) are part of the 10% category when compared to the rest of the US SOCOM/JSOC units.

MatthewR November 17, 2011 at 9:28 am

Brandon, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. I have been associated with the community for ten years and I have never once heard a SEAL put a brother down. They may have a few witty names for the ones they feel are "special", but not one of them deliberately tries to destroy another. They are Brothers, a concept that seems to have passed you by. Brandon, there is enough room in the book world for your book coming out in 2012, and for Pfarrer's and for a lot of others. Your encouragement to others to post bad reviews on Amazon says really strongly that you have a lot of professional jealousy. Relax man, and better yet, pull it together and remember you were a SEAL.

major.rod November 17, 2011 at 10:31 am

Standing by someone who is not being honorable dishonors oneself. An orginization that promotes blind loyalty to its members above all is a dangerous organization. Where do you draw the line and who draws it?

Brandon is doing the right thing if he believes someone is lying.

BrandonWebb November 17, 2011 at 11:07 am

MatthewR- (FYI-Thanks Major.rod)

I respect Chuck's accomplishments as a SEAL but will not stand by someone who I believe is not being truthful. I think he could have told a great fictional account (given his background) of what "might have" happened and been very successful. To lie about it and deceive the public and media (hat's off to ABC for not giving him airtime by-the-way) is not a good thing and I will not be a part of it. Chuck is bringing us (SEALs) all down with this book. There's no professional jealously at all, I hope you see the difference.

-Brandon

BrandonWebb November 17, 2011 at 11:17 am

Also, I'm not sure what "associated" with the community means either and it would be great to get clarification on that.

I stand by my position based on facts and that brotherhood is a two way street. If your "brother" lies and dishonors your friends then he isn't much of a "brother" anymore. Enough said.

Infidel4LIFE November 17, 2011 at 9:50 am

I saw pics of doors blasted in, alot of debris. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle?

BrandonWebb November 17, 2011 at 11:09 am

No doubt any SOF guy with recent experience could put together enough pieces to tell a great story. It's like the old ritual of passing a story around the campfire. Once it gets whispered around the circle and comes back to the original person it's inevitably changed based on multiple interpretations. The only ones who know what went down are the operators on the op and that's the way it should stand. -Brandon

MatthewR November 17, 2011 at 12:28 pm

Admiral McRaven did not say it was BS. He was very careful not to say anything direct. His aide, Col Nye said, "McRaven was concerned the book would lead Americans to doubt the administration's version of events."

BrandonWebb November 17, 2011 at 1:24 pm

MatthewR-

PR Quote: It's just not true," U.S. Special Operations Command spokesman Col. Tim Nye said. "It's not how it happened."

Last time I checked McRaven planned the mission and is currently in charge of SOCOM. He authorized this release. It seems like he's saying it's untrue to me…..but hey, we're all entitled to our opinions I guess.

Older Frog November 18, 2011 at 7:07 am

Webb, you are really a piece of work.

I can tell from your writing you don't have clue #1 about Pfarrer's history as an Operator.

Maybe you should have asked around about him before trashing him.

Not defending the most recent book.

But even if it's BS, it certainly doesn't negate his operational experience and accomplishments.

Mr. Pfarrer has seen plenty of action. You have 'friends at Dev'. Pfarrer is a former member of that unit.

You owe him an apology, and if he shows up at a reunion be careful and mind your attitude. Friendly advice from a Brother who knows a lot about Pfarrer and plenty about you, even though you were after my time.

Question his book? Fine. Hate the movie 'Navy SEALs'? Join the club. Labeling a former Teamguy who served in Beirut and was on plenty of real-world Ops with ST-6 a "10%er" because of 1 book? You are WAY out of line.

Older Frog November 18, 2011 at 7:08 am

Who the f*ck are you exactly? Why don't you go bring this up with Senior Chief Shipley personally. I can see it now. "Hey Senior, I think you ought to look into this guy who is a former Teamguy and ST-6 Operator. I think his new book is bullsh*t and he needs to be put in his place."

Yeah, you should get right on that.

0326CCTdeliveryman November 18, 2011 at 12:57 pm

hey did anyone else see the obviously "posed" picture in the back of the book? it shows Pfarrer with a massive plate carrier on, no pouches, talking through a setup that seems to be linked to under his hood? very lame picture but the worst part is that on his rifle, there is a backwards mounted eotech. is that SOP for SEAL's? to me that seems like that might hinder his assault on the rural farming community he is softening up with CAS before he infiltrates. maybe im wrong.

J26 November 19, 2011 at 3:53 am

When I first saw that pic, I wondered if the guy was a total fake. I was surprised to learn he had such an extensive operational history. Something just doesn't add up here….

Brandon November 19, 2011 at 6:38 am

Older Frog-
You're entitled to your own opinion and I am entitled to mine. It doesn't matter how great of a career you had or where you served and what you did. You lie to the media and public about something like this it's inexcusable in my book. You know the old saying, you can be a plumber all your life, screw one sheep and people will never know you as the plumber just a sheep f**ker. Pfarrer made his bed, now he can lie in it. -Brandon

Brandon November 19, 2011 at 7:02 am

Just ask the head coach at Penn State…..

Turd November 19, 2011 at 9:08 pm

SEALs aren't known for their weapon handling skills. Their more known for their six-packs and awesome hair.

0326CCTdeliveryman November 20, 2011 at 9:01 am

i thumbs upped because that is very true! just messin, big water commandos are needed….well about as much as manure is needed to make a pepsi taste better. that one is for you Neil! rest in peace.

0326CCTdeliveryman November 20, 2011 at 8:58 am

im sure he has lots of experience. im not ragging on the guy at all thanks to him for what he has done for this country. as for whether or not his story is real…. i have no stinkin idea. i want to believe my commander and chief but i also want to believe my close friends on a super secret team funded by the big water pirates. im just saying the pic looks lame and ragging on the eotech, i through in the SEAL remark cause i have a few pirate buds.

Bob November 26, 2011 at 6:48 am

Small Wars Journal gave the book a pretty devastatingly negative review: http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/swj-book-review-

A better book on the broader subject of strategic manhunts — including the hunt for bin Laden — is Runkle's "Wanted Dead or Alive: Manhunts from Geronimo to Bin Laden," which a friend downrange says a lot of the SOF guys are reading in their downtime.

Mike November 27, 2011 at 12:05 pm

Please realize that all you guys who fall for this shit are just utter, utter idiots. Really, do you think McRaven is under pressure from the White House? Really? Wow . . . Go do some SEAL team Six airsoft or something. Leave the real shit to the people that actually stand up for what they believe. Pfarrer has done more in his career than the majority of you pogues will have ever done. . . . Go F U C K yourselves!

Matt November 27, 2011 at 12:09 pm

Geez, really? SOCOM denounced the book? Well, that has got to be true . . . . What? The USGOV fired two Generals in Afghan-I-land for telling the truth? No . . Really? Hey, you guys got any kool-aid?

HR/CT 1 December 6, 2011 at 7:24 pm

Webb, you cur are a ****** and a propoganda mouth piece for this fake administration. You mean to tell me we must believe this current crew in power? You really need to re-examin your priorities and your patriotism.

MOR December 14, 2011 at 9:37 am

Do you know what an EOTech looks like? That is not an EOTech, obviously.

Derek December 21, 2011 at 7:10 pm

I'm currently reading Pfarrer's book. And somehow, I ended up here on this site. On this post.

The way you were bashing on Chuck Pfarer and how everyone was agreeing with you, I assumed you were some guy high up the food chain with lots of insight, insider knowledge, and tons of contact with the "Team" guys.

Then I read your "YOUR HOST" section.

… for someone who never even stepped foot into the inner circle, you certainly have a lot of comments to make about someone who was a commander of an assault team within the inner circle.

Anyway, I'm going to finish my book and not come back here.

Ramp Phibian January 15, 2012 at 2:49 am

Never have I seen a frog do what you did here, Webb. Let's see, you graduated with more than 60 and Chuck almost 20 years earlier with half that number. When you were playing with GI Joe, Chuck was playing with the PLO.

But keep running your mouth. Your 10% *** is showing. If I were you I'd be ashamed to call myself a SEAL.

OUT

Bill January 25, 2012 at 11:53 am

All of my friends at DEVGRU told me that
Wait I probably have as many friends at DEVGRU that Chuck Pfarrer has 0.

Jeff October 19, 2013 at 1:25 pm

Why are so many people attempting to trash this hero?

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