Warrior South: Guy Cramer on the US4CES Camo Pattern

Kit Up! A couple variants of the ADS Inc./Hyperstealth camouflage patterns.

Nick Hoffman of ADS Inc. introduced us to several people the first morning of Warrior South, setting us up for more potential stories and interview possibilities than we could hope to accomplish in just two days. The first thing we did was talk to Guy Cramer of Hyperstealth, took a few minutes to talk about the US4CES camouflage pattern they’ve submitted to the U.S. Army “Family of Camouflage Program”. The video quality is a testimony to my outstanding skills as a videographer and documentary film maker (that’s sarcasm) so don’t hold it against him, ADS Inc. or Hyperstealth.

(Note: some of you will have read about this pattern previously after Warrior West on Soldier Systems Daily.)

I’d read about the ADS Inc./Cramer team-up before but hadn’t heard the whole story. Say one thing about Mr. Cramer; the man is passionate about camouflage. I don’t mean that disparagingly, nor is this some sort of judgment on his camouflage patterns versus any others. It’s an observation about the man. The science, art and application of camouflage seems to genuinely consume him. It was great to finally meet him.


Kit Up! A pack in the ADS/Hyperstealth pattern, on display at their booth.

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    I cannot wait for a decision to be made. It feels like this process has taken too long to make any kind of decision. I understand that Big Army is trying to avoid the huge mistake they made with the ACUs but come on now.

    • Riceball

      FYI, ACU is the name of the uniform pattern that replaced the BDU, the camouflage pattern its printed in is called UCP for Universal Camouflage Pattern. The difference is that you can have an ACU in any camouflage pattern or color from old school woodlands to Ranger Green and UCP can be printed onto any uniform from BDUs to school uniforms.

      • Yes, ACU stands for Army Combat Uniform, however, more people refer to the Universal Camouflage Pattern as ACU than the correct UCP. The uniform I’m wearing in the video is not ACU but the Underway uniform from ADS Inc. developed by U.S. SpecOps Teams. Once the new patterns have been selected by the Army, they will likely stick with the ACU cut for regular Army issue.

  • The army may have gotten it wrong with the UCP/ACU digital combo, but the air force really screwed their battlefield airmen when they came up with the ABU. Clearly it was created for an individual to sit behind a desk and work in the air conditioning. The ABU is a foolish uniform.

  • Lance

    Not as good as MARPAT but worlds better than UCP.

    • majrod

      Do you really want to go there?

      Might not be as good as MARPAT (your opinion). The Marines copyrighting and refusing to share its camo pattern (after more than half a century of using Army patterns) started this mess and the waste of billions of dollars (FACT).

      Sometimes shutting up is wiser than gloating.

      • Greg

        That’s true

      • Lance

        Saying looks good didn’t mean functionality.

    • The U.S. Navy’s AOR-1 (2010) and AOR-2 (2010) are recolored but identical patterns to the USMC MARPAT (2001), which was provided to the USMC with permission from Canada from their CADPAT (1996). UCP (2004) is a direct copy of the same pattern with two layers using one color thus the Army has a three color pattern of the four color patterns; CADPAT/MARPAT/AOR-1/AOR-2 (So the U.S. Army already has permission to use the same pattern as MARPAT just not in the exact same colors). AOR-2 performed slightly better than Woodland MARPAT and AOR-1 performed slightly better than Desert MARPAT in previous NATICK testing to become the baseline patterns for Woodland/Tropical and Arid/Desert.

      The top baseline patterns which we either equaled or beat in the down select trials to get to the field trials were; AOR-1 (Arid/Desert environments) /Multicam (Transitional environments) /AOR-2 (Woodland/Tropical environments). The winner of Phase IV field trials will have to surpass these baseline patterns in field trials.

      • majrod

        Mr Cramer – You are absolutely factually correct. Great products also. (like your pattern. the best in the Army competition so far)

        My point was the USMC’s copyright & denial to share MARPAT in 2003 and again in 2011 resulted in the Army and subsequently all the services developing their own patterns. Different patterns are admittedly great for business but they are not economically efficient nor a military necessity. We’ve shared combat uniforms and patterns for almost 60 years. There’s no need to have separate branch patterns along with the additional cost of fielding uniforms and equipment in eight different patterns.

        After almost a decade of camo frenzy and spending the LAST thing anyone should be doing is saying “Not as good as MARPAT” without inviting a retelling of the needless expense, waste and confusion caused by the USMC’s leadership’s arrogance. http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?… http://www.armytimes.com/news/2011/06/army-marine

      • xcalbr

        please, for the love of pete, somebody make a pattern good enough so that all branches have the same uniform. this four different patterns BS is utterly ridiculous. thank you marine corps :/

    • xcalbr

      how is it “not as good” as marpat?

  • Greg

    Can’t wait to see some more test pics of these.

  • WannabeSteven

    Mr.Cramer, In simple terms you pretty said the pattern for equipment/gear had to be compromised to peform decent with the arid, transitional, and woodland versions. Wouldn’t that be consider a unviersal camo? Also, the pattern seems to look like it would perform well in a light urban enviroment. Do you have any research that would support that? If so, do you think ADS or some other company in the future would make uniforms out of the PCIE/OCIE pattern?

    • Their is no such thing as a universal pattern with current technology (unless you use our Smartcamo or Quantum Stealth). The US4CES OCIE/PPE pattern actually started out as the US4CES Transitional Pattern but our internal testing with ADS only showed that it equaled Multicam in detection time within transtional environments, we needed to exceed the baseline pattern so we developed a new coloration which surpasses Multican by 26.71% in objective recognition testing. The US4CES OCIE/PPE coloration works better between the Desert/Transitional/Woodland patterns than just using the transitional.
      It will be ADS Inc. which determines if that OCIE/PPE coloration would go into uniform production for other markets rather than just the gear.

  • majrod

    You didn’t say “looks good”. You said, “Not as good”.

  • greg

    You said it buddy. this uniform sucks big time. it was not made for the aircraft mechanic. i have never seen an uglier uniform, well except for that abortion they were testing before. it was a bluish color, like the one’s that wal-mart sales. this abu is also hot as ****, it is feels like you are wearing a potato sack. but hey, the brass finally is coming out with a lighter version. so thank you to the uniform board for not field testing the uniform on the flightline.

  • majrod

    Four patterns? We wish!

    Army – 2 (UCP, MC)
    Navy – 3 (AOR 1 & 2 and Aquaflage)
    Marines – 2 (Woodland and Desert Marpat)
    Air Force – 1 (ABU)

    That’s eight.

    Then there’s the USCG which has the blues and they are still using BDUs and DCUs I think (chime in coasties).

    • xcalbr

      I was mistaken! you are absolutely correct
      Eight different ******* uniforms *shakes head

  • Matt

    And I fail to see how the Corps’ two is worse than the Navy’s three ;)

    • majrod

      It’s not Matt. Definitely a greater waste to have three uniforms but the greatest waste was the original decision to copyright a pattern and refuse to share it with fellow services after 60 years of using other services.

  • Sgt. Stryker

    I agree, it is taking so long, but not too long, lets be glad the Army is taking its time and getting it right, instead of jumping the gun like they did with the last pattern. When the UCP was picked, PEO-Soldier set aside two years for the selection process and six months in picked the new pattern, a pattern that only works on grandma’s flower print couch and a gravel pit/ road. According to some, they had MarPat envy and couldn’t wait to field their own pattern, and we can see how that fiasco turned out.

  • Sgt. Stryker

    MajRod. Where are you getting your information? the Marines had their own pattern during WWII, and the army had theirs. The Branches used different variations of the green satine/ tigerstripe during the Vietnam War, and it wasn’t untill the late70’s early 80’s that the Woodland camo patern BDU cut uniform came out. That pattern and cut was picked by the Joint Cheifs at the time, not one single branch. The reason for the switch in 2001/2 was because between the fighting in afghanistan and the preparation for invasion of Iraq, the Marine Corps, with its extremely limited funds, was having trouble getting Woodland and Desert camouflage uniforms out of inventory. This was happening because of Clinton era contracts that were written with allied countries to reduce our (the US’s) inventory of chocolate chip desert camo, and the fact that the Desert patterns weren’t being produced fast enough to keep up with demand.

    • oscar

      Sgt. Stryker good call on that one. The USMC had it’s own herringbone twill pattern during the WW2. They also used the duck hunter pattern. In VietNam, some Marine units were using cammies.

  • JohnnyB

    Guy, I know you’re all about working to develop the ‘perfect’ patt, and that’s a def good thing. That said, why do we not see these uniforms with the patt on everything – including the strapping and loop? These geometric patterns – esp the molle strapping and its repetitive ‘ladder’ effect across a garment/pack – are visually arresting.

  • Say it isn’t so

    I am in Afghanistan wearing multi-cam but why is the Army still going with a one uniform solution?

    Can anyone confirm this?

  • Say it isn’t so

    Sorry that I wrote so soon. Found my answer here at http://www.hyperstealth.com/pixel-camo-is-effecti

    Good to know that US4CES still has a chance.

  • Say it isn’t so

    This article confirms it today