Warrior South: Guy Cramer on the US4CES Camo Pattern

Kit Up! A couple variants of the ADS Inc./Hyperstealth camouflage patterns.

Nick Hoffman of ADS Inc. introduced us to several people the first morning of Warrior South, setting us up for more potential stories and interview possibilities than we could hope to accomplish in just two days. The first thing we did was talk to Guy Cramer of Hyperstealth, took a few minutes to talk about the US4CES camouflage pattern they’ve submitted to the U.S. Army “Family of Camouflage Program”. The video quality is a testimony to my outstanding skills as a videographer and documentary film maker (that’s sarcasm) so don’t hold it against him, ADS Inc. or Hyperstealth.

(Note: some of you will have read about this pattern previously after Warrior West on Soldier Systems Daily.)

I’d read about the ADS Inc./Cramer team-up before but hadn’t heard the whole story. Say one thing about Mr. Cramer; the man is passionate about camouflage. I don’t mean that disparagingly, nor is this some sort of judgment on his camouflage patterns versus any others. It’s an observation about the man. The science, art and application of camouflage seems to genuinely consume him. It was great to finally meet him.

 

Kit Up! A pack in the ADS/Hyperstealth pattern, on display at their booth.

15 Comments on "Warrior South: Guy Cramer on the US4CES Camo Pattern"

  1. I cannot wait for a decision to be made. It feels like this process has taken too long to make any kind of decision. I understand that Big Army is trying to avoid the huge mistake they made with the ACUs but come on now.

  2. The army may have gotten it wrong with the UCP/ACU digital combo, but the air force really screwed their battlefield airmen when they came up with the ABU. Clearly it was created for an individual to sit behind a desk and work in the air conditioning. The ABU is a foolish uniform.

  3. Not as good as MARPAT but worlds better than UCP.

  4. Can't wait to see some more test pics of these.

  5. WannabeSteven | June 19, 2012 at 10:16 am | Reply

    Mr.Cramer, In simple terms you pretty said the pattern for equipment/gear had to be compromised to peform decent with the arid, transitional, and woodland versions. Wouldn't that be consider a unviersal camo? Also, the pattern seems to look like it would perform well in a light urban enviroment. Do you have any research that would support that? If so, do you think ADS or some other company in the future would make uniforms out of the PCIE/OCIE pattern?
    Thanks.

  6. You didn't say "looks good". You said, "Not as good".

  7. Clark,
    You said it buddy. this uniform sucks big time. it was not made for the aircraft mechanic. i have never seen an uglier uniform, well except for that abortion they were testing before. it was a bluish color, like the one's that wal-mart sales. this abu is also hot as ****, it is feels like you are wearing a potato sack. but hey, the brass finally is coming out with a lighter version. so thank you to the uniform board for not field testing the uniform on the flightline.

  8. Four patterns? We wish!

    Army – 2 (UCP, MC)
    Navy – 3 (AOR 1 & 2 and Aquaflage)
    Marines – 2 (Woodland and Desert Marpat)
    Air Force – 1 (ABU)

    That's eight.

    Then there's the USCG which has the blues and they are still using BDUs and DCUs I think (chime in coasties).

  9. And I fail to see how the Corps' two is worse than the Navy's three ;)

  10. Sgt. Stryker | June 26, 2012 at 5:35 pm | Reply

    I agree, it is taking so long, but not too long, lets be glad the Army is taking its time and getting it right, instead of jumping the gun like they did with the last pattern. When the UCP was picked, PEO-Soldier set aside two years for the selection process and six months in picked the new pattern, a pattern that only works on grandma's flower print couch and a gravel pit/ road. According to some, they had MarPat envy and couldn't wait to field their own pattern, and we can see how that fiasco turned out.

  11. Sgt. Stryker | June 26, 2012 at 5:51 pm | Reply

    MajRod. Where are you getting your information? the Marines had their own pattern during WWII, and the army had theirs. The Branches used different variations of the green satine/ tigerstripe during the Vietnam War, and it wasn't untill the late70's early 80's that the Woodland camo patern BDU cut uniform came out. That pattern and cut was picked by the Joint Cheifs at the time, not one single branch. The reason for the switch in 2001/2 was because between the fighting in afghanistan and the preparation for invasion of Iraq, the Marine Corps, with its extremely limited funds, was having trouble getting Woodland and Desert camouflage uniforms out of inventory. This was happening because of Clinton era contracts that were written with allied countries to reduce our (the US's) inventory of chocolate chip desert camo, and the fact that the Desert patterns weren't being produced fast enough to keep up with demand.

  12. Guy, I know you're all about working to develop the 'perfect' patt, and that's a def good thing. That said, why do we not see these uniforms with the patt on everything – including the strapping and loop? These geometric patterns – esp the molle strapping and its repetitive 'ladder' effect across a garment/pack – are visually arresting.

  13. Say it isn't so | July 9, 2012 at 8:13 am | Reply

    I am in Afghanistan wearing multi-cam but why is the Army still going with a one uniform solution?

    Can anyone confirm this?
    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/06/28/arm

  14. Say it isn't so | July 10, 2012 at 1:55 am | Reply

    Sorry that I wrote so soon. Found my answer here at http://www.hyperstealth.com/pixel-camo-is-effecti

    Good to know that US4CES still has a chance.

  15. Say it isn't so | July 10, 2012 at 11:06 am | Reply

    This article confirms it today
    http://www.stripes.com/news/no-decision-yet-on-fa

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