Rolled SleeveMarines can go back to rolling their sleeves after a three-year ban on the practice following an announcement this week by Marine Corps headquarters.

Marines had rolled the sleeves of their desert camouflage utilities in non-combat areas up until October 2011 when Marine Commandant Gen. James Amos ordered sleeves down year-round. The change will go into effect on March 9 when the Marine Corps switches to the tan desert uniform.

When Amos first announced the ban in 2011, he received quite a bit of push back from unhappy Marines. We’re wondering what you think about the decision now to reverse the order and allow Marines to bare their arms in the warm weather months.

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Buford Puser February 28, 2014 at 5:34 pm

It's right there in the Constitution for god's sakes, the right to bare arms!

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nathan February 28, 2014 at 11:21 pm

HAHAHAHA OMG

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Dan M. March 4, 2014 at 8:20 pm

It is Micky Mouse crap that some general doesn't know what Marines are going through and what the weather is like. In Vietnam we cut the sleeves off.

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Sgt. Jerry Marsh March 4, 2014 at 9:21 pm

I served proudly in the Marines for over 5 years out in 29 Palms. I actually served under Sgt Major of the Marine Corps Barrett back when he was our Company 1st Sgt. As a Marine you just have to undergo changes as they come. I'm pretty sure that Commandant Gen. James Amos had good reasons for taking sleeves up away, but there back now and that is all that matters. Marines are trained to Improvise, Adapt, and Overcome and they did a great job Adapting and Overcoming sleeves down during the hot months for the past 3 years. When I trained in the 29 Palms desert during the very hot summer months, we always wore our sleeves down and to be honest, my body stayed much cooler than with sleeves up and less burned. OOOOORRRAAAAHHHH!

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Leo March 9, 2014 at 3:57 pm

First of all jarheads don’t know how to roll up the sleeves the inside of the shirt it’s not suppose to show. HOOAH

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@GladiatorSpeaks June 5, 2014 at 3:24 pm

You're a goddamn hero!

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steelcobra February 28, 2014 at 11:34 pm

The army way looked better, maybe they'll bring that back too. http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/76/ItANAT4_1….

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1LT INF, ret March 1, 2014 at 12:05 am

The Army way was a major pain to "roll" right, but it was also amazingly easy to lower your sleeves with just a tug.

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HM2 March 1, 2014 at 3:22 am

That's how the Navy does it right now. We were the only service to have that form of rolled sleeves in the past couple of years. And there was a legitimate reason to have it rolled that way too, it's easier to roll down in case of a fire aboard a ship (just ignore the flammable material used for the NWU's).

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MA1 March 1, 2014 at 7:13 am

Hey HM2,
The Coast Guard rolls their sleeves the same way on their ODU’S (operational dress uniform). They have been rolling them that way since 2002, way before you guys got your NWU.

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bloke_from_ohio March 3, 2014 at 9:32 am

Zoomies do it the "Army Way" as well. It helps them stay safe from overly chilly air conditioning units…

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Smedley Butler March 5, 2014 at 8:29 pm

So… we're supposed to be surprised when we shift to contingency ops? The escalation of the MOPP level will define how uniforms should be worn with adequate time to respond – like the 2 minutes it takes to unroll your sleeves.

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Betsey Ford March 1, 2014 at 12:30 am

I have to wonder about the men/women who may have gotten tatts during the ban…..

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Three Tours March 1, 2014 at 8:11 am

As long as they have been showing up for PT, their chain of command already knows about them.

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Usmc1948 March 5, 2014 at 4:44 am

Who care's bare it!!!

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RJPierce51 March 5, 2014 at 3:35 pm

I am concerned about this also. Some tattooes sould not be seen in mixed company. How does one hide these?

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Smedley Butler March 5, 2014 at 8:14 pm

Tattoo appearance/display was based on SS "C", not utility sleeves being rolled up.

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Steve March 6, 2014 at 5:51 am

Another way to thin the ranks out during the Obama opression?

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Barb Tomaro March 1, 2014 at 1:36 am

Let the gun show commence!!!!!!!!!! OOH RAH

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Wenday March 1, 2014 at 7:15 am

Some of the rules and regulations for the military uniforms are ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!! Like a ban on rolled up sleeves… Where did that come from and what was the reason it was instituded in the first place? Back in the 80's we were not allowed to wear our wooly pully in flight overseas. I was not about to freeze in the airplane so i wore my full dress greens. Until I got to Okinawa and almost past out from the heat. Luckily some high ranking officer saw that people were freezing on the flights and said we could wear the woolies in flight.

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Jacqueline O Chaplin March 5, 2014 at 5:26 pm

My understanding was that the no sleeves rolled policy was implemented in CONUS out of respect for those in areas of war who had to wear them down. At least that is what we were told when I was in the Army.

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1LT INF, ret March 5, 2014 at 8:13 pm

Well, heck, if you wanted to show solidarity with the folks in the sandbox, why didn't you also have somebody wander around base randomly firing off AK rounds and blowing holes in parking lots?
That would have made almost as much sense.

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ReconMan March 1, 2014 at 9:38 am

This all began when the Marines started wearing their sleeves mid-forearm as a fashion trend on the battlefield, likely inspired by SOF http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2027/sof3mx5.j… . This came back to the US and in garrison I saw Marines up to MGySgt doing it. Multiple verbal and written warnings were issued from HQMC and CMC to the field to roll the sleeves up correctly, The fact the leadership in the field could not seem to make this happen consistently was the first real confirmation of my theory regarding the shift from NCOs, SNCOs and Os practicing leadership to what I call "buddy aid". Too many people confused being liked with being respected. Multiple SgtsMaj in my unit were more like everybody's grandpa than their Sgt Maj, and they just couldn't seem to bring themselves to consistently correct Marines' mid forearm wear of sleeves, holes in T shirts, dirty clothing, etc. Hopefully things have changed in the intervening years and the sleeve rule will be enforced to the regulation and the day of the mid-forearm sleeve are over. Step up to it NCOs and SNCOs – if an O has to do this someone is not doing their job.

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TimUSMC March 1, 2014 at 1:55 pm

Another cause was the MIA/KIA bracelets that became vogue with Marines wanting to wear them. The same time they were allowed to be worn was the exact same time Marines had to roll their sleeves down

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chris stroud March 4, 2014 at 6:42 pm

In the field, with the Reserve unit I worked out of after my active duty hitch, my LEFT sleeve was always turned back one roll in the field. Used it as a pad, I was the Company RTO. Lots of COMSEC got washed out of existence on Monday night's laundry run after a weekend running around the boonies. And yes, most times the cammie paint went half up my arm. LOL

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GySgtHodgeUSMCvet March 4, 2014 at 6:43 pm

Amen. One cold day at New River back in the '80's when I was a sgt., a young Marine past by me with his head braced to the wind and his hands in his field jacket pockets. It was cold, I chose to look the other way. Within seconds, the wing SgtMaj. snatched be up by the collar and we had a "heart to heart" discussion on military regulations and the need to consistantly enforce them by them. I was embarrassed by my lack of action. But more importantly, I was impressed by his. He wasn't dressing me down in front of his troops to put on a show. We were alone, and the only person he was out to impress we me. He wasn't out to be my friend or buddy. He was out to ensure I was the NCO I should be, He earned my respect in just a few moments. I hope I earned the same respect from my troop after that. (A little off topic, but a life lesson)

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LCL Fred March 4, 2014 at 9:11 pm

Good commentary on leadership Gunny. I served under one of the meanest/toughest SGTMajors ever and I love that SOB to this day for what he taught me. Afraid that for many that type of tough leadership may have been replaced with "Buddy" mentoring. Nothing wrong with a good boot in the A– to get ones point across. Semper Fi

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Robert March 4, 2014 at 11:27 pm

I agree with you

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Jim T March 5, 2014 at 8:52 am

Well said Recon man. When I was in the Corps in the early 60's you would never, never even consider altering the uniform dress code, even in your utilities. Not only would your Sgt. would be all over you but God forbid your should be spotted by an officer. In those days you wore the uniform with pride as well as fear.

Semper-Fi brother

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Larry March 6, 2014 at 2:17 am

"Face Time" has been lost in the Corps with the Internet Invention. Were's the 3 daily formations that we used to have, passing all important information. Now all you hear is, Didn't you see my "Email"?.. The Old Corps was better..

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Tobias March 1, 2014 at 1:35 pm

The rolled sleeves is part of the Marine Corps, it SHOULD have never changed.

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MSgt, Ret March 5, 2014 at 10:24 pm

You must be one of them Hollywood Marines

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CWO, Ret. March 6, 2014 at 2:04 pm

The rolled sleeve is not a long part of the USMC history by a long shot. Rolled sleeve is new and it does not look professional at all. Now if they made a cammie top that has short sleeves to begin with then it may look better; after all we have long sleeve and short sleeve dress shirts. Also, I would like to see the uniform of the day be short sleeve for summer service "C" and only those who had garrison jobs that are particularly grimy,
like mechanics, etc., or any time in the field , cammies, otherwise SS "C" to be worn. Looks far more professional then cammies. Just a thought .

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majr0d March 1, 2014 at 4:02 pm

I wonder if this is damage control by the Commandant. His reputation has taken a beating for trying to suppress Marine Corps Times for their coverage of his role in persecuting the Marines involved in the urination video and shutting up whistle blowers…
http://gruntsandco.com/sitrep/smoking-gun-marine-

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Truthful March 5, 2014 at 5:44 pm

In truth, your answer is the most likely. The Commandant wanted the sleeves to remain up, however he has been under intense pressure lately for corrupting the legal process so he needed to give on something to get some attention off of him. The sleeve issue was the lowest hanging fruit.

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Albert March 6, 2014 at 2:20 am

Heard that the Commandant had some "Bad Paper" way before he was picked as the next Commandant. How's that?

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Lance March 1, 2014 at 7:49 pm

Old news came out last week.

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Mandalay March 1, 2014 at 10:00 pm

I do not care what the reason was, safety should always be your first priority and rolled sleeves should never have been a problem. Long sleeves can get caught in machinery and equipment and can be a real hazard depending upon what you are expected to be doing.

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fivetechnotes March 4, 2014 at 6:21 pm

This is a big reason why I got out of the USMC. It's easy to be hard but hard to be smart.

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Robert Ing March 6, 2014 at 11:49 am

…and it's easier to quit than to be one who makes a difference. I wish you luck finding a 'more perfect' organization. We all will drive each other nuts once in awhile, and it's to the good of the Corps that someone who cannot deal with that…leaves. Thanks for the time you served. Godspeed Marine.

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MGYSGT Spanky March 4, 2014 at 6:53 pm

Who gives a schit how the navy, army or coastie do it! That was NOT a question!

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Christine Rosario March 5, 2014 at 4:40 pm

I came in the Marines in the 70s. Our utility uniforms was blue trousers, light blue shirt, blue Piss Cover, black shoes, and socks. The Marines wore sateens and the sleeves were rolled up during the summer, during the winter they were down. The only Marines that had of were allowed to have their sleeves down were Motor T. From there out uniforms changed and we were allowed to wear the same uniforms as the males ( it was about time). That changed a lot for the females and they even got rid of our greens pin striped uniforms. Now we were in the same uniforms and we didn’t stick out like sore thumbs. There was no good explanation as to why the Commandant changed the order in the first except to keep himself out of the lime light. He will be the third Commandant to have his face on the front of the Marines Times for things that was said or done. We are a Unique branch of service and we stand out more than the other branches. The Army want so much to be like the Marines that they even wanted to get their uniforms tailored. We are the only branch of service that have a strict uniform policy. Our uniforms are tailored and we as Marines must keep that Military appearance. We also don’t walk into the clothing store and purchase our uniforms try them on and say the fit. I prefer the rolled sleeves during the summer and down in the winter. Some places like California has to make a call on whether the sleeves be up or down. But let’s stick to the Uniforms Regulations. I’m sure the Commandant didn’t get the okay from the Uniform Board but made the decision on his on accord. We are Marines, not Army, Navy, Air Force, or the Coast Guards, “We are Marines” that’s the bottom line.
Semper Fi

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MSgt of Marines March 6, 2014 at 9:36 am

Same old shit just a different day. I can remember when a a mustache on a new Marine checking into a unit labeled him a shitbird until he proved otherwise. Or the SgtMaj directing they all were to be cut off for an I.G. inspection. No balls to stand up for his marines with good advise for the CO. Don't place it in the the Handbook for Marines if it wont apply to everyone all the time. Now not rolling up your sleeves is the most idiotic idea yet to pass muster. In the warm summer months with the summer uniforms you rolled up your sleeves. So to heck with that idea and make thousands of Marines miserable in the heat to prove what? There is a regulation for that and if not followed than it is a leadership problem from the top down, I love my Corps but at times It just doesn't make sense over this kind of B.S. Lets focus on marksmenship and P.T. I would gladly give my MSgt stripes and 23 years back if anyone can prove to me that is what keeps a Marine alive and the Enemy dead.. Our priorities are AFU and it starts from the very top on down we have created a Corps of yes men. Are there any senior Staff NCO,s with the leadership left to fight for our Marines? Or are they afraid of not being to retire and are playing it safe as yes sir three bags full. Parden me while I go puke.

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J. T. Price March 4, 2014 at 6:53 pm

As an old WWII Marine vet, I find it amusing that rolled up sleeves is a topic of discussing. Back then we could do it except in assembly when all were expected to look alike in dress.

Once a Marine always a Marine – even at my age 84 years.
Cpl J. T. Price, USMC

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Bill Collins March 4, 2014 at 8:31 pm

I remember in the 1950s when I was in the Corps are fatigues "HBTs had pockets on the blouse but we had to have in worn inside our pants… always wondered why have the pockets.. Some rules in the corps are really stupid

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Lcpl Robi wan March 4, 2014 at 10:23 pm

this probably came as a result of " gunny sleeves". As far as I remember the Gunny's never looked alike in dress with their baggy floppy half ass rolled sleeves. Sleeves rolled, unrolled, tattoo sleeves, the marine makes the uniform, not the other way around. LCpl for life!

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Monk March 5, 2014 at 2:33 am

Semper Fi, old Marine. I were 2 combat tours in Vietnam, twice wounded. I am still a Marine, I/we just wear a different uniform today. Oorah!

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SSGT Skip Nix March 5, 2014 at 7:41 am

Thank you Cpl Price for your service. A Member of not only the Corps but of the greatest generation. Semper Fi!

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Craig March 4, 2014 at 6:59 pm

Yeah now if they could only do away with the stupid rule on tattoo's! I went in the Corps in 95 with my left arm sleeved, was a damn good Marine, got out and tried comming back in after about a year and ahalf and they said no. Crazy! You would think with all the PC people out there they would think it a form of discrimination. Every time i went to a new post got the ussual looks, but once they knew I was squared away they had no issues!

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Bsr March 5, 2014 at 12:10 am

I was a Marine for 12 years, and the constant changes to the tattoo policy was like a comedy of errors! Some of the best grunts I ever knew had tattoos on their forearms. Too much obsession with appearance over substance!

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James March 4, 2014 at 7:01 pm

I wasn’t aware of the change. Heck I’m really out of the loop! Marines have rolled their sleeves up as long as I can remember. My dad was a Marine and 20 years later I was, too. The Marine Corps needs to stop trying to go mainstream and like the Army. Stick to what makes us unique and different from the rest!

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Delta Charlie March 8, 2014 at 2:56 pm

I first rolled my sleves up in 1965 in Da Nang. VN. I just heard about the ban. I retired in 1975.

GySgt. Delta Charlie

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Mark Sanchez March 4, 2014 at 7:05 pm

I used to love rolling up my sleeves… Who cares about tats…

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DevilDog March 4, 2014 at 7:09 pm

Maybe it was all about hiding the tattoos. Now that Gen. Amos has one, it's okay…..

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rudy March 4, 2014 at 7:14 pm

These new marine officers / commanders are making my marine weak they need to grab a hold of there nuts a get there head out there ass they are making us weaker and weaker sleeves rolled up makes you know that guy or female is a in the Marines we ain’t making marines now a days like we used to were making usmc look like army soldiers g

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Al Faltynowicz March 4, 2014 at 9:39 pm

This is one of Obama's agenda to make all services look the same. Look at what Obama is doing with the commission assigned to have both male and female Marines wear the same cover? He is completely doing away with the traditional barracks cover to boot. Male Marines are going to feel "Squeamish" in wearing what Obama wants the Marines to wear. I saw a picture of it and it really belongs on a woman's head and not a males.

It is an outrage to say the least.

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Chuck Walters March 5, 2014 at 4:34 am

For god's sake…Learn how to spell before you spout off and show your ignorance.
It is grab THEIR nuts get THEIR head out OF THEIR ass . THERE is a location not here but THERE or elsewhere. Come here and go THERE.. Unless of course you wish to say that THEY ARE going away then you spell the contraction of the two words as THEY'RE going away.

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USMCDaughter April 22, 2014 at 3:09 am

Agreed!! I don't like the "Kinder Gentler Marine Corp" they are trying to push. F*(# That! There is a reason The United State Marine is the most feared in the World. I'm glad to see suns out guns out!

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SSGT Durbin March 4, 2014 at 7:24 pm

"The Right To BARE Arms" …..Buford, you got it right!!! Now that's a damn good interpretation of the Constitution. It's good to know my Marine Corps still has a sense of humor. Having served from 1977 to 1992, I'm from the "sleeves up" camp. I spent a lot of time in "29 Stumps" and anyone else who has, knows that 120 degree heat will wear you out with sleeves down. Let's just welcome the backtrack and move on. Y'all know not every officer knows how to do that, even when it's the right choice.

Respectfully to Everyone,

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Sgt Joe Roth March 4, 2014 at 9:07 pm

While I personally like the rolled up look it has nothing to do with the heat. Every Mexican outdoor laborer covers their sleeves, their heads and their neckx when working in the hot sun. Bad argument, Sarge.

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Dave March 4, 2014 at 7:36 pm

If a uniform has long sleeves, roll 'em down. If a uniform has short sleeves, problem solved. It's one or the other.
If the Corps wants to save money on uniforms, design them with short sleeves. Think of all the material not used
which translates into lower cost. Heck, why not go with shorts for summer use when not in combat zones. Lower cost, more comfortable.

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Hunt March 4, 2014 at 7:49 pm

Are you an idiot??

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Dave March 5, 2014 at 12:32 am

No Hunt and I'll go out on a limb and assume you're not either. But why do you ask? Is that the best you can come up with…."Are you an idiot"? Limited vocabulary? Unable to formulate an intelligent comment about my suggestion. Or are you just one of those kids that feels brave sitting behind a computer in your moms basement knowing I can't reach out and grab you by the stacking swivel and punch your lights out?
Maybe all of the above? Try to come up with something constructive next time you comment, something a little more adult.

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Mike March 4, 2014 at 7:50 pm

Well Dave we use the same uniform (summer and winter)for the uniform in guest I on. Wise up!

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Dave March 5, 2014 at 12:13 am

Wise up? What the hell does ."we use the same uniform (summer and winter)for the uniform in guest I on"

I'm just an old dumb jarhead from the 60's, not sure what …"for the uniform in guest I on"

I do know that we wore the same utilities summer and winter…can I assume that's what you are trying too say?.

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1LT INF, ret March 5, 2014 at 8:09 pm

See, most of these folks are too young to know the difference between utilities (or fatigues, as us Army types called 'em) and cammies.

Fatigues were simple and cheap (I can remember getting a full set for under $5), so you didn't cry when paint or grease got slopped on them or they got torn up in training. (Of course, we also learned how to use needle and thread to repair the tears, as well as sew on our name tapes).

Now we've got uniform fashionistas…

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WasillaGuy80 March 4, 2014 at 7:54 pm

The reason for the Rolled: Summer time is hot, when your not in combat environment then Rolled sleeves is a cleaner look.
Combat or OPS: Roll them down so the uniform suits the purpose of blending with the environment; your arms are not covered from N.B.C.

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MGYSGT McGegor March 5, 2014 at 7:45 pm

1st-Miss Hunt I suggest yhat you first enlist in our Corps before commenting.

2nd-finish grammar school to improve your linguist abilities while in public forum.

3rd-Many Marine units were issued the short sleeve utility blouse during Vietnam (in combat) – it had equal pro &con. (it was never adapted because it appeared too Army) The opinions split the Corps O3's MOS against the rest.

4th-The short sleeved utility blouse has been on almost each years uniforms board change recommendation consideration list since, along with returning to that of a cuff-less larger sleeve of the Pre- and early WWII era which was a more baggier blouse (very comfortable for the tropics and light)
. The Enlisted uniform board (Senior SNCOs) do consider the change yearly. Routinely droped due to the added expense to the Sea-bag cost limits.

Regardless if up down cut or full sleeve A B C when there are TWO MARINES in formation any where they are identical in appearance. ALWAYS regardless of season. EVERY NCO and above should enforce that discipline.

GOOD-DAY MARINES ! ! !
(old-old-old OldCorps) now it's time to fad away – again.

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MSgt, Ret March 5, 2014 at 8:46 pm

People in glass houses, should not throw stones. Dropped is spelled with two "p`s not one. The points should be made about the conversation and education.

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bpd3733 March 4, 2014 at 7:48 pm

If they want to change uniform stuff. Get rid of the name tapes. I was pissed when we had to start putting them on in 1993.

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Greg Hall March 4, 2014 at 7:56 pm

I remember that, I Got out in 1992 and we had to put them on that year, stupidest shit I ever herd of……. If I wanted to join the Army I would had………

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1LT INF, ret March 8, 2014 at 11:38 pm

You know, thinking back, I do believe that I never saw Gomer Pyle with a name tape over his pocket…

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Leo March 9, 2014 at 4:17 pm

That’s because the wear them on their ass that’s how they recognize each other

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CWO, Ret March 6, 2014 at 2:08 pm

You are pretty green, name tags go back a long way to a time when we did not have cammies, but sateen's' we call then, solid green. Name tags were added and USMC emblem speaks for itself on shirt pocket.

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WasillaGuy80 March 4, 2014 at 7:50 pm

As a former Marine, I think rolled is much "Cleaner" of a look. Good Job Marines!

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MSgt, Ret March 5, 2014 at 8:51 pm

You really don`t mean former Marine do you. Because if you were a Marine at all, you are still a Marine.

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Cowboy Steve March 4, 2014 at 8:06 pm

We were allowed to roll 'em up in the early 70's, I don't see much difference in the look now. I agree, it's a much cleaner look. Semper Fi.

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Trails March 4, 2014 at 8:12 pm

Used to love getting my sleeves just right, boots shined up, and having the best looking uniforms with clear pride and effort out in. That’s one of the things that has set us apart. Another is that we’re the ones who accept the the toughest, hardest, and most wanting to do something different from the herds outside of the Corps! Tattoos, scars, and general bad attitudes… Take em, turn em into Marines, and let eh do what they’d been trained for!
It’s a shame. Our leaders either have too much time, or so much extra political crap.
SEMPER FI MARINES! You do what you’ve been trained to do!

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Roger March 4, 2014 at 8:15 pm

I'm old school, 60-66. We followed orders. The least of our worries was sleeves up or down. The correct why is a Marine follows all lawful orders and wear the uniform as prescribed and with the pride of a Marine. Stop crying like some union member crying to the union steward because the boss made you mad.

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Monk March 5, 2014 at 2:38 am

Oorah! The pride of being a Marine should surpass all obstacles.

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MSgt, Ret March 5, 2014 at 8:48 pm

Well said.

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MSgt, Ret March 5, 2014 at 8:47 pm

Great comment.

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G.L.Mitchell March 4, 2014 at 8:21 pm

As I Have Said B4,Winter Sleeves Down-Summer Sleeves Up!! It's Very Simple!! That's The Way It Was When I Was In..Why Should Anything Have To Change? The Ole Story: KISS-Keep It Simple Stupid!! Semper Fi Men (Former) Gy Sgt G.L.Mitchell ,West Caldwell,New Jersey

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Bsr March 5, 2014 at 12:05 am

Well said! But it seems today's Corps is more concerned with dog and pony shows than down and dirty mission accomplishment!

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Gunny March 4, 2014 at 8:34 pm

Sorry on the Ratting Trails; I was sending a thumbs up and hit thumbs down instead. Good Comment and Semper Fi.

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Joe Tirrell March 4, 2014 at 8:49 pm

Marine's in the south Pacific, WWII, took off their shirts and got bit by the malaria bug. As soldiers there has to be some decorum but yet heat can siphon one's strength. The body should be covered so the weights of the fabric are the culprit. Hell, Marines in the frozen Chosen on Nov 27th to Dec 16th wore summer utilities. In the jungle you have to be covered. In garrison, dress should always be professional and the utilities are for the field. Rolled sleeves to me are a large pain in the rear. Semper Fidelis

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Sgt DB Welch March 4, 2014 at 9:16 pm

Hoorah! Sleeves up go Devil dogs. Tight rolls all around. Go Hard chargers!!! CHESTY would be proud.

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Dave March 4, 2014 at 9:21 pm

@Roger: I agree with you. I'm also "Old Corps", 1960-1966. There does seem to be a lot of whining nowadays about R&R's. Yeah, there were things we didn't like or necessarily agree with back then but you know what, we did them and got over it in a couple of days. Are people disgruntled over long sleeves because they can't display
their tats? Move on, it's not a BFD.

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Bsr March 4, 2014 at 11:57 pm

As a Marine who started in the Corps in 1992, I always heard the same crap about how the "Old Corps" was tougher and harder-basically the same thing every generation of Marines hear.

Yes- in the military there are a lot of rules and regulations, and you don't get the luxury of picking what rules you want to follow and what you don't, but I think this is a prime example of a stupid, petty and unnecessary rule that was made for dubious reasons.

I complement todays generation for their so called "whining"- because maybe they have the intestinal fortitude to question why they are forced to do something that has no basis in common sense and more for the ego of a senior leader. Making a rule for the sake of going on a power trip is just stupid, and the troops know it.

"If you don't like the Marine Corps, then get out!"- the standard sorry justification for all sorts of stupidity, which is why the Corps has the worst retention rate out of all the branches of the Armed Forces!

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Dave March 5, 2014 at 2:32 pm

Just trying to identify with Roger who mentioned "Old School". Of course I heard the same crap from older Marines when I was in. But you know, we did kinda respect that for some crazy reason. But like you imply, who gives a rats arse. Two of my son's joined in the early 80's and I always razzed them about the "Old Corps". Just light hearted razzing among Marines, no offense intended. But I suppose it's not politically correct to say such things today. Too many people getting offended about basically nothing.
I never said anything about "If you don't like the Marine Corps, then get out!" so I don't know where that came from. But I think it goes beyond saying that if you don't like "anything", why stick around.

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Donald Clark March 4, 2014 at 10:13 pm

Do any of you remember dragging your khakis on a line behind the trasnsport? This prematurely aged the fine material that it was, and the longer the trip, the better the effect. It made something called "Shanghai khahis", and that proved you were more salty! Sometimes the line wore out before the treatment was done. Can you imagine today's regulations putting up with s–t like that. I'm 85. I roll the sleeves up whenever the hell I want._ Semper Fi

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Danny March 4, 2014 at 10:41 pm

It was rolled up sleeves when I was in the Fleet, years ago. There's been quite a few changes in just about everything since I've been out, almost 25 years now. Some changes for better, most for worse. Couple that with a percentage of self-serving senior enlisted ranks along with a large percentage of self serving officer corps and you get a not so effective leadership of the current day Corps..

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Bsr March 4, 2014 at 11:38 pm

I was a Marine LT, but I started as enlisted in the 1990's. Rolled sleeves was dictated by climate and training ( not by a Corps wide common appearance)- and not really a major issue.

What was the Commandant thinking by making such a superficial and petty order about sleeves Corps wide? It only goes to reinforce the troubling notion that today's USMC only cares about trivial superficiality over substance.

All changes meet with some resistance, but the sheer pettiness and lack of thought in regard to this issue was disappointing. The Marine Corps needs to take a serious look at itself and its culture, and do away with dumb uniform regulations that have no grounding in common sense!

As a proud civilian, I use an umbrella when it rains- because it keeps the rain off! Wish Marines would see this obvious fact!

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GradyPhilpott March 5, 2014 at 12:39 am

When I was in the Marine Corps (67-71), Marines on the west coast didn't roll up their utilities sleeves, as far as I know. We certainly didn't in boot camp, nor did we do so at Camp Pendleton or at the Defense Language Institute (West Coast Branch) at the Presidio of Monterey.

When I got back from Vietnam, my first duty station was Camp Lejeune, where I saw Stateside Marines with rolled up sleeves for the first time.

I didn't have a problem with long sleeves while in California, but I would have hated them on the east coast, with the heat and humidity.

I, personally think General Amos made a big mistake with his initial order and I'm glad common sense has prevailed.

Semper Fidelis

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Tom March 5, 2014 at 7:46 am

It would be great if my beloved Corps would start focusing on the issues that matter like moral, pay, benefits, man power etc.

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VoiceofReason March 5, 2014 at 2:09 pm

It was never a BAN… It was to unify an organization that has built a reputation as being unified. The past ten years we've been in conflict as you all are aware. Marines in garrison stopped rolling sleeves to make it easier for Marines who were deployed upon their return as well as those Marines who deployed to replace them. As Marines now return from combat, we are returning to our unified garrison look of rolled sleeves. Semper Fi

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Ron Stebles March 5, 2014 at 2:55 pm

I was in from '60 to '64. We never thought of rolling sleeves or untucked shirts. In the Phillipines uniform of the day was tee shirts and utility trousers. Nothing looks sloppier than shirts hanging out like the army.

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jordy rossol March 5, 2014 at 3:10 pm

The marine corps shouldn’t have banned the sleeve rolling that’s our way of saying our guns are bigger than the other branches. Semper Fi.

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CLARK HENRY March 5, 2014 at 3:18 pm

IS THIS THE ONLY THING THE MARINE CORPS HAS TO WORRY ABOUT – HOW ABOUT THE REDUCTION IN NUMBERS BEING WORKED BY THAT GENUIS IN THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT.

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Armando Carbajal March 5, 2014 at 3:37 pm

Some officers and senior enlisted have few meaninful contributions others than those such as no rolled sleeves, NBC rolled sleeves (army style) USMC in 80's, chevron on the collar?? do something meaninful to make Marines, especially enlisted Marines more effective in and out of combat.

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Joseph Matisse March 5, 2014 at 4:26 pm

I grew up in the marine corps..and joined the brotherhood….I remember my father rolling his sleeves and unwilling them according to the season..I understood the reason…and when I became a marine I knew and understood that thete would be times when there was going to be changes to marine corps orders..its part of being a marine…you learn in bootcamp to suck it up and drive on…adapt and overcome…thats what I learned..and still stick to it. .if there are non hackers complaining about the wearing of a uniform and have problems following the regs then maybe they should get out…you signed up to SERVE AND PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION AND UNITED STATES. .that means following all orders issued over you with no complaints or question. ….
SEMPER FI

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ERNEST March 5, 2014 at 4:50 pm

Ventilation is important AND NECESSARY , WHICH IS COMMON SENSE.
kEEP THE SLEVEES UP WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE IT.

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John Watson, RET March 5, 2014 at 5:02 pm

The rolled up sleeve can not inform in looks, because every has as different idea as to what is right when measuring the roll.

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WATSON,RET March 5, 2014 at 5:05 pm

Make a short shirt to be so r n on base only.

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MSgt, Ret March 5, 2014 at 5:17 pm

Since when do d Marines question orders. You are a Marine do what you told, like it or not.I sure would like t o have some of you in a Fox vol err with me. Question t ion my orders and their will be a body bag with your name.

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walter March 5, 2014 at 5:44 pm

If you have ten Marines and Two2() want to roll their sleeve will the all be in or out of uniform of the day?

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walter March 5, 2014 at 5:46 pm

who will be in the uniforms if all do not roll their sleeve

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Marcus Roemelen March 5, 2014 at 6:41 pm

There are more important issues than rolled sleeves.

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Donald Clark March 5, 2014 at 8:20 pm

I posted abiout an issue that could be addressed by Marines instead of rolling up the sleeves. It concerned cleaning up Politics, specifically, the White House.
THIS TRUTHFUL STATEMENT, PRESENTED WITHOUT FOUL LANGUAGE, WAS DELETED BY AN INDIVIDUAL DESCRIBED AS AN 'ADMINISTRATOR;. THAT MUST BE SOMETHING LIKE A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER. WHO RESTRICTS FREE SPEECH.

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Fostek, G. March 5, 2014 at 9:01 pm

Roger, old school 60-66.

You are corrrect Marine. My hitch 69-75.
With that said there is now many social promotions, worthless political correct promotions with Corps being run like the army, a corporation. Feild grade officers who will state all is well on their watch no matter what is the real scope. False reports to DC on how the program is working because DC says so. Infantry females ?

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ForwardObserver March 5, 2014 at 9:07 pm

It gets hot outside. So when it is, roll them up but do it Army style so the light non camouflage inside fabric isn’t seen. Another smart thing the Army does right right up there with name tags sewn on.

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Don March 6, 2014 at 10:24 am

As long as I can roll my sleeves …..in other news……..

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Don March 6, 2014 at 10:28 am

As a current Marine we got bigger isses to deal with other than this ridiculous topic.

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infantry March 6, 2014 at 11:40 am

I would hope the CMC has more importent issues , other than rolled sleves on utilities . USMC 67-90

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DAVID A. WRIGHT March 6, 2014 at 11:51 am

NEVER SHOULD HAVE MESSED WITH IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.DON'T LIKE CMC BUT RESPECT THE POSITION. BARRETT SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE.BUT WHAT DO I KNOW,0311'S RULE GOD BLESS THE MARINE CORPS,GOD BLESS ALL MARINES WHERE EVER THEY ARE,AND GOD BLESS CHESTY PULLER WHER EVER HE MAY BE! LCPL DAVID A. WRIGHT '76-'79.

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robert hughes March 6, 2014 at 1:17 pm

Depends on the weather;
Up sleeves for hot and down for cold weather. MOVE ON!
And don't forget to arm bears while you're at it! (there'll be a lot less hunting of them!)

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GUBBINS ,PATRICK March 6, 2014 at 3:15 pm

I think that the Marine Corp should go back to the way they use to be back when MARINES looked like Marines. When you saw them off base they either wore civies or the Dress Uniform of the time. They didn't wear their utilities of base to go to the local beer joint like I see today.. Back then they looked sharp as a whistle not like they do today. Todays Marines may be a lot smarter but off base they look like bums. Lets go back to either wearing civilian clothes or the Dress Uniform with the Flying Saucer Cap. When I was in in 58 to 62 I loved the Corp. I got out because we started to get cry babies who couldn't take it. I do give all the Marines today who have to do the crucbiles we didn't not have them back then

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b.a.barackus March 6, 2014 at 4:11 pm

Sleeves up or down doesn’t matter they are still the worlds finest fighting force yut yut ooohrahh !!!

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Dan Davis March 6, 2014 at 5:14 pm

I was USMC in the 70s in Hawaii rolled up sleeves were required.

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Rick at Kenitra March 6, 2014 at 7:49 pm

Who remembers wives lengthening trousers in a hurry because "short pants Pate" was coming for a visit?
I was there in 1956 when CMC didn't like to see your socks. Why all the fuss about sleeves?

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Rob March 7, 2014 at 8:32 am

Roll up sleeves look cool and neat, as long as your arms are free of tattoos.

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Gunz March 7, 2014 at 10:00 am

As a Ret Marine, 1992-2013, I have to say that the new look is a great look. Digital MarPat Cammies are good, they are Modern, Sleeves Up is the way it has been. Not Nessessarily bad or good, just the Traditional way for a long time. Shouldn't change a part of the Corps semi-recent history in my opinion. Semper Fi. But there will be other issues in the future.. We should be concentrating on Discipline of enforcement of the rules, and the future of those to serve and ones that already have.. Right.. Uniforms Change.. Service does NOT.

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BKYoung March 7, 2014 at 8:53 pm

Whoever thought of this was a feather merchant. Whoever enforced it was a dumbass feather merchant. I was a 0311/1833 from 1982-1990.

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mlb in mlb March 8, 2014 at 9:50 pm

I always wondered why the USMC rolled the sleeves the way the do? The Army and USAF had a more practical way of keeping the camouflage pattern in tact that can also be dropped to long sleeve in about 1-2 seconds.

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stween March 9, 2014 at 12:51 pm

I think that every new "Big guy general" has to try and show the rest of us he's the boss. So he picks out some ridiculous little thing and changes it with their name stamped on it. In 1987 the new "Big guy" just up and said we couldn't wear our rank on our covers…. I didn't give a shit but that appears to be what they do to feel pseudo-immortal….Whatever… SEMPER FI!!!!! Hard chargers!!!!

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Ed M March 11, 2014 at 11:16 am

I agree with Roger. I had my sleeves rolled in 1951. It made it easier for the enemy to miss us. My brother had rolled sleeves in the 70s in Africa. My other brother his rolled sleeves in the 70s in Cherry point, NC.I don't know who ordered the change but I'll bet he never had been a true Marine. The Constitution states " The right to bare arms. We are obligated to protect the Constitution. nuff said
SSGT Ed M

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Pete March 11, 2014 at 12:37 pm

I am in the Army and have been wearing the uniform ACU with sleeves down in 90-100 degree heat for the last 6 years. I am prior service Navy and was stationed with the Marines. Sleeves up in the hot summers in garrison makes to much sense. Sleeves down promotes dehydration and makes a Soldier miserable. The Army has brain washed these new Soldiers into thinking they are much cooler with sleeves up because their skin is not exposed to the sun, causing sunburn, or to dangerous bugs. Sleeves up gives you some relief and convection, (air passing over the skin to take away heat cooling the skin). Worried about sunburn? Then put on sunblock, worried about a mosquito bite? Insect repellent. A majority of us if honest, especially us prior service and us who knew the days of sleeves rolled up will say it is a very professional look, when done right, and comfortable. Why do we have to be miserable? Don't make sense.

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treadhead06 March 13, 2014 at 6:38 pm

The reason the military (not the Army, Marines or any one group) made the decision to roll the sleeves down on the BDUs was for safety and to uphold the integrity of the 'radar dispersing' agent used in them. One earlier post suggests that sleeves up is safer than down because of machinery hazards – not true. While there are some potential dangers presented by the loose sleeve, since it buttons at the wrist, these are minimal. Much greater hazards are presented by poor camouflage of the arms, therefore being seen by the enemy, exposure to harmful sunburn, radiation and chemicals, infection from wounds caused by scrapes, cuts, insects, etc. Additionally, quite contrary to some beliefs, the soldier is actually cooler with sleeves down because circulation is easier with unrestricted bloodflow to and from the heart. I think the real issue was presented by another poster – why can't we just be Marines and different than everyone else? My response is why should you be? Actions speak, not uniforms. I've seen real heroes rise up from the ranks who didn't wear fancy berets or special boots or tattoos who fought just as bravely and accomplished just as much or more than anyone with a badge or tab.

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