100206-A-0846W-033Soldiers will return to the field to test different camouflage patterns as the Army looks to meet requirements laid out by Congress to find a camouflage pattern that could be used across the military.

The Army has signaled that the service will pursue fielding a family of camouflage patterns versus a single pattern. Army leaders are considering fielding a transitional pattern for general use that would go along with specialized arid and woodland patterns, according to a recent Army statement.

“Separate patterns designed for arid, transitional semi-wooded, or heavily wooded terrain tend to perform better than a single pattern, which seeks to provide concealment in all three environments,” the Army wrote in a March 31 press release.

The Army was poised to announce the results of its multi-year camouflage improvement effort nearly a year ago, but congressional language in the 2014 defense budget called on the Pentagon to put an end to the services branding their ranks with unique camouflage uniforms.

MultiCam won the Army’s earlier camouflage competition. A source told Military.com that before Congress blocked funding for single-service camouflage patterns, the Army was ready to go forward and introduce MultiCam as the replacement for the ineffective Universal Camouflage Pattern.

Now, the Army is re-opening the testing process and considering a host of camouflage patterns to include the Marine Corps desert and woodland patterns. Ongoing tests will occur this month and next at Fort Benning, Ga. The Army will then follow up those tests at Fort Polk, La., and Yuma Testing Ground, Ariz.

Army leaders didn’t specify which camouflage patterns will be tested over the coming months. In the previous camouflage competition, Crye Precision LLC, ADS, Inc., teamed with Hyperstealth, Inc.; Brookwood Companies, Inc.; and Kryptek, Inc. all competed. None of the four patterns clearly outperformed through all the test environments, but MultiCam was considered the winner.

“Once the testing is complete, Army leadership will use the test results to reach a decision on whether to keep the present camouflage pattern or adopt one of the new families of patterns,” according to the Army press release.

However, the question remains over how much the Army is willing to spend on the testing process and the fielding of a UCP replacement. Congress blocked service specific camouflage partially to cut down on the cost and number of expensive fielding programs being pursued by the different services.

Fielding a family of camouflage patterns would add to the price tag. Not only would uniforms have to be purchased, but also the corresponding equipment.

Details have already emerged concerning the Army’s reluctance to pay for new combat uniforms. Officials with Crye Precision LLC, the inventor of the MultiCam pattern, said the Army has not been willing to pay what the market demands for effective camouflage.

When Army officials approached Crye Precision about replacing UCP with MultiCam, the vendors increased the price the Army had been paying for uniforms in Afghanistan by up to 20 percent. In October 2013, the Army released a Justification and Approval that it planned to issue MultiCam as the Army’s “principle camouflage pattern,” Crye officials said.

However, Crye officials said it could not control what vendors charge and the company’s additional profit would only make up a 1 percent increase.

“Crye submitted several formal proposals which proved that the Army could procure MultiCam gear at prices within 1 percent of UCP gear,” the Crye release states. “Crye’s proposals additionally showed that this could be accomplished with no upfront cost to the Army.”

“The Army rejected all of Crye’s proposals and did not present any counter proposals, effectively saying that a proven increase in soldier survivability was not worth a price difference of less than 1 percent.”

Army officials then requested a buyout price for MultiCam, but Crye officials were reluctant to sell the service the rights to the MultiCam brand. A buyout price would have to include the entire lifetime value of the MultiCam brand, making it expensive, Crye officials said.

Crye officials finally agreed to provide a buyout price request — $24.8 million according to an Army source familiar with negotiations.

“Crye’s offer was rejected outright by the Army,” Crye officials said. “No official counter offers to any of Crye’s proposals were ever provided to Crye by the Army.”

Of note, the Army has spent hundreds of millions of dollar on the Ground Combat Vehicle program since 2011. Army leaders canceled the program this year and will not field one vehicle.

 

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Kurt April 2, 2014 at 3:10 pm

The Army should hire Bill Murray to be their spokesman because this is turning into Groundhog Day but without any of the funny.

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Dustin April 3, 2014 at 8:11 am

I had to scroll back up to see if I was reading an old article.

Also worth noting that the testing will also decide if we should keep the crap current pattern. How much you want to bet that this is the Army's attempt at saying all the other tests were flawed and UCP is good enough. UCP is just a fabric version of the M4 replacement. I wouldn't be surprised if in 50 years we're still not finding a replacement for both.

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Justin April 3, 2014 at 2:39 pm

I’m pretty sure you’re spot on with that. Typical of the United States Army; When you can’t decide how to fix something, just pretend it’s not broken.

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Christopher April 4, 2014 at 1:56 am

yes
1000 times yes -Chris Youngbauer-

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Stupid April 12, 2014 at 11:02 pm

My clothing allowance better triple if there are three new uniforms.

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tom April 14, 2014 at 4:09 pm

Moron, one will be the duty uniform and the others will be issued to you from CIF if you deploy to those environments.

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ILT INF (RET) April 14, 2014 at 7:57 pm

Is it too difficult for you to make any contribution to the discussion without prefacing your comment with a gratuitous personal insult?

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Robert Everhart April 2, 2014 at 3:14 pm

Now that is a smart idea.

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Lance April 2, 2014 at 3:32 pm

Now we are back to what we began with Desert and Woodland. Should have stayed with BDUs, like I said over the years. You can add Multicam as a in between of desert and woodland camo. this digi camo like I said was crap and was a fad that should die. Save money go back to the camo that worked for 30 years before crappy grey camo came.

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Wake27 April 2, 2014 at 6:42 pm

Digi camo is awesome provided the colors used aren't plain stupid. Have you seen the Marines?

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Hodge175 April 2, 2014 at 11:20 pm

In the Phase IV testing a non Digi patterns one over current Digi patterns and the one Digi pattern that was one of the four down selects, actually 3 of the 4 patterns were non digital.

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joseph April 3, 2014 at 10:35 pm

thank you!!!!!!!!!! somebody said it before me……however the marines camo is actually really good and can keep you hidden very well

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@chall50 April 3, 2014 at 11:22 pm

oh ya, lets spend more money, doing the same test, over again, just to get the same answer…Congress and GOP should all have to serve in the military as well as serve in Afghanistan…before they start changing and giving orders…they should know what they are appropriating..and who it affects….

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tom April 14, 2014 at 4:14 pm

Hey dumbazs, There are multiple times more vets in the GOP than the Dumbrat party. Do you even know what GOP stands for?!?!?! Or that the Republican party is the party that fights the most for the military? Everytime there is a democrat in office the military and its benefits get cut!

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jimmy graves April 2, 2014 at 3:35 pm

heh heh n'everything

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joe April 2, 2014 at 3:53 pm

"However, the question remains over how much the Army is willing to spend on the testing process and the fielding of a UCP replacement."

Shouldn't that be How much the American Tax Payer is willing to pay?

Ok, Thats it, Everybody back to the Old cheap Olive Drab Green Utility Uniform (highly starched for Sgt Majors benifit) unless sent on Deployment, then draw out of supply what ever has been purchased over the last 15 years in Camo gear. Except for the crappy Ghost gray I can see you no matter where you are Uniform.

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roconner April 5, 2014 at 3:08 pm

they are willing to spend it all, as long as the Gen. gets his cut

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driz April 8, 2014 at 8:27 pm

Oh no please no, not that. That's what I had to put up with and when they authorized permanent press in mid 76 all that starch crap went in the rag bin where it belonged. I had to shell out my own coin for them too, $14 / set at clothing sales. I got the BDU's in the Nat Guard some years later and loved them. They were the best of them all in every respect to include the digital stuff.
The idea of each branch having it;s' own special everything just shows the sad waste that these guys in the pentagon perpetuate. Time to reign it in boys, the feast and the war is over.

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P. Tran April 2, 2014 at 4:29 pm

They could use the entire Multicam family.

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Hodge175 April 2, 2014 at 11:23 pm

No they can not since the new law congress passed the new Multicam patterns can not be selected. The Army had the chance to purchase for over 6 months or longer before the bill was passed. The could have had the rights to the family of pattern Crye developed for the Phase IV testing for close to 700K. But the US ARMY leadership sat on the results and now cannot use them.

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gqshire April 3, 2014 at 2:17 am

I was under the impression that the Army could still buy as long as they did it before the deadline. The real question is why don't they just go to #2; instead of, restarting the testing again? If

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Mick April 3, 2014 at 1:25 pm

I think there's a loophole; law says they cannot acquire any NEW camo… multicam is an existing pattern that's been fielded to Afghanistan, so that should be available to them.

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majr0d April 3, 2014 at 1:39 pm

Multicam is ONE pattern. Better than UCP but still ONE pattern. It is not the best in Arid or Woodland environments.

straps April 2, 2014 at 4:40 pm

Nobody in the industry who knows WTF they're doing will participate.

Army will spend a fortune to get a family of cheap patterns–cheap to design and cheap to print. And those patterns will be little better than UCP.

This kind of crap makes me ashamed to be a Soldier.

The actions of rogues on the battlefield or in garrison are just that-the actions of individuals who know no better.

This SECOND ROUND OF TESTING is the result of decision making AWAY from the heat of battle, with a full accounting of the long term and second/third-order effects, by people who are supposed to know WTF they're doing.

Beyond embarrassing.

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11b April 3, 2014 at 3:53 am

"…a proven increase in soldier survivability was not worth a price difference of less than 1 percent."

Makes me ashamed as well.

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Ddustin April 3, 2014 at 2:27 pm

Been feeling the same way. The current Army leadership has demonstrated at every turn that it does not give a f*%$ about the troops on the ground. This is getting to be BS and something needs to be done to fix these idiots before they do anymore damage.

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John D April 2, 2014 at 4:51 pm

Who is budgeting this operation? Soldiers are losing money and benefits,so,some contractors,can get rich along with their flag officer daddies! More waste of,time and money!

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JoVaz April 2, 2014 at 4:52 pm

I don't even know what to say anymore……….Look at what happen before we started getting MC for guys deploying to Afghanistan. OCP-Delta…all they did was throw mud on the uniform and called it good enough for our guys and that didn't pass. I have 100% zero faith that Big Army will actually be able to come up with something good for us to wear. They spent millions of dollars on testing to get something that proved worthy enough for our troops and threw the opportunity away because we are apparently not worth that 1% difference that was discussed…..Thanks Uncle Sam…..thanks.

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cueball95 April 2, 2014 at 4:52 pm

WTF?!?!?!?!?!

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majr0d April 2, 2014 at 4:52 pm

"Army leaders are considering fielding a transitional pattern for general use that would go along with specialized arid and woodland patterns, according to a recent Army statement."

So the Army will have THREE uniforms in the end… (facepalm)

Two patterns is plenty. Someone has to apply the rule of diminishing returns.

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Paralus April 2, 2014 at 5:58 pm

The previous program called for woodland, transitional and arid patterns, so this isn't new.

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majr0d April 2, 2014 at 8:21 pm

Yes, you are correct. It doesn't mean it was right.

When I first heard of the plan to replace UCP, transitional was just for gear and then it morphed to a third camo uniform.

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roconner April 5, 2014 at 3:11 pm

AND once you move the camo part goes,,,,, plus it has to look nice when on airplane

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Paralus April 2, 2014 at 5:55 pm

Sad. Just pathetically sad.

Big Army fails again. It's time to layoff the generals.

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orly? April 2, 2014 at 5:56 pm

I'm sure alot of people hope this is an April Fool's joke that's a day late.

Is it?

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mpower6428 April 2, 2014 at 6:56 pm

Welcome to " Wizard of Oz " the TV show. 13 episodes a quarter century…. follow follow follow follow follow the yellow brick road.

I wonder if this time they pick something that DOES NOT look good on TV but, actually blends in. or they could blend in with the old BDU's since everybody else including " Hezbollah, ISIS and even AQ " seems to be wearing them…..

We've come to the time with this farce has become boring.

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voodkokk April 2, 2014 at 7:35 pm

The Secretary of the Army needs to be removed immediately for fraud, waste and abuse if he/she is approving this waste of taxpayers dollars.

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roconner April 5, 2014 at 3:12 pm

i thought the army was using the USMC pattern???

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Luke April 2, 2014 at 8:12 pm

Could we please have a petition to lay off the Brass making these insane decisions? I've always wanted to serve my country, and this is really making me think twice.

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11b April 3, 2014 at 3:55 am

It's nothing new, really, so get used to it if you plan on enlisting.

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Norman31 April 2, 2014 at 8:27 pm

Well they better hurry up and come up with a pattern that will blend into the Ukranian country side. Think about it. Is it necessary to spend million of dollars we don't have every few years on camouflage uniforms? Is the eath changing that fast? African animals have used the same camo pattern for years with great success. This is what happens when you have excess General officers with no job who don't want to retire and a president who allows them to stay on. The monthly pay for a three stat general with say 25 years service is $15,000 add to that maid service, butlers, drivers, cooks and outlandish housing.

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roconner April 5, 2014 at 3:13 pm

GOOD idea dress everyone as a ZEBRA it's good in a crowd

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Moondawg April 2, 2014 at 8:34 pm

Soldiers used to fight and win wars wearing bright Red or Blue uniforms. Then they transitioned to various shades of Khaki, brown or OD green, and still won wars. Seems like camo is more of a moral booster than necessity when it comes to a combat uniform. It just looks tacti-cool.

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11b April 3, 2014 at 3:58 am

Lets be real though- when soldiers wore red and blue uniforms, they faced each other in formation on the battlefield and made no attempt at blending in. Undoubtedly OD or khaki is better than UCP, but wouldn't some measure of camouflage be worth it? It was only a 1% price difference, after all.

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Stefan S, April 3, 2014 at 4:03 am

Seriously? You didn't need camo to march into the mouth of a Napoleonic cannon now did ya? GMAFB. Camo works for a reason. Morale booster? You are joking right? If not you need some counseling.

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1LT INF (RET) April 6, 2014 at 9:19 pm

Maybe you should talk to the guys who fought in plain-jane OD green 40-odd years ago — against an opponent who couldn't afford boots, but was still a master of camouflage without spiffy-looking fabric patterns.

And maybe you ought to look at the research which indicated, way back when, that patterned camouflage is only more effective at disrupting the outline of a solder when the soldier is not moving — when the soldier is moving, patterned camouflage tends to make the movement more apparent to an observer.

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James Turnidge April 2, 2014 at 9:44 pm

What the HEdoubletoothpicks (thanks Radar) is this getting to be a freakin' fashion show? Every three months there is a new plan for camo? Let the person that thinks this up pay for it out of his own pocket, then lets see how often we have to change uniforms and patterns. Marines; Sand pattern for beach assault, olive drab for grass and reeds, Tree pattern for forest and brush. Looks like your guys will be doing a lot of changing and not much shooting. Army, same thing but olive green for trees and shrubs and grass…..it worked during WW2 and WW1 and Korea. Navy, nothing blue, you will get lost at sea if you fell overboard. Air Force, blue is good as long as you don't touch ground……in other words pretend your and angel. God Bless America and All who fight for her, Congress won't just look at their record past and present in the past ten or further years (how far back you go is your choice it may still look the same).

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Hodge175 April 2, 2014 at 9:47 pm

The US Army could have had the Crye family of patterns that won the Phase IV Camo testing after 4yrs of testing, it beat Both Marpats, Multicam, AOR 1/2 in head to head testing. The cost for the patterns would have been 700K roughly, that's nothing in Defense budgets. But the ARMY Leardership sat on the results until Congress passed the bill. This would have been the best camo available for our soldiers but the Army never made a move. I every other test prior to the Phase IV tests, Crye Multicam always came out never the top in most test. It is currently issued on a limited basis, but the Army wont adopt it for widespread use. Seems like someone in the Military has a axe to grind with Crye, since they wont even talk to Crye about prices, they have done everything the Army has asked of them. But somehow after aprox. ten yrs of ongoing testing and Crye always coming out on top the Army is all of a sudden design a pattern on there own that is better than any other company can come up with.

Soldiers lives are what are at stake here for atleast the next decade if not longer!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Proud old grunt April 3, 2014 at 6:56 am

I thought that Multicam was a Crye product. It was also my understanding that Multicsm actually didn't come out on top of any go the tests. From what I read on Soldier Systems, Multicam scored average to well on all the camo categories -arid, urban and jungle/woodland. No other pattern did that, but each category had pattern that beat Multicsm. It is also my understanding that neither ATACS nor Kryptek took part in at least th early test, because neither was on the market in those days.

All that said, Multicam appears to be superior to building site cam (sorry, I meant UCP) in just about every environment, with the possible exception of fire fights on building sites, so why is the Army still stuffing around? Could it be corruption, incompetence, indecision, laziness or some combination of the above?

Yep, you are dead right. Soldiers lives are at stake and those who are supposed to care seem to be missing in action.

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gqshire April 3, 2014 at 5:26 pm

I think those were the tests to pick OCP (single pattern). Multicam now comes in multiple shades for different environments.

http://www.multicampattern.com/

They could buy Arid and Tropical Multicam uniforms and keep the current OCP gear. I just don't see the point of new testing, if the other services aren't involved.

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Hodge175 April 3, 2014 at 6:09 pm

No they cannot adopt those newer Multicam patterns, Those patterns are what one in the Phase IV rounds of tests, they beat regular Multicam, AOR 1/2, Marpat, Brookwood pattern, ADS/US4CES, and Krytpek in head to head testing. The US ARMY could have bought the rights to them after they one the Phase IV testing for 700k, but chose not to make a move before Congress pasted the new Bill. Those patterns are dead in the water now.

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Nick April 2, 2014 at 10:26 pm

Now the army said something about using multicam colors, but with a digital pattern… The hyperstealth camo patterens look good to me and their in between (universal) seems to blend in better than Multicam…
UCP works great…… If it’s dirty. Roll in the dirt and look at how much better it works. It’s to damn bright clean and stands out like a VS17 panel

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Hodge175 April 2, 2014 at 11:29 pm

That will be interesting on how they push that, because the Bill that was passed via Congress reads that they cannot issue a new pattern unless all branches agree to use it. So it will be interesting on how they plan on doing this. Changing the colors of the pattern creates an entirely new pattern, plus now you will have to issue all new gear in that pattern as well, if you issue the current multicam pattern gear over a Digital pattern it will stand out and kinda defeat its purpose and will look hap hazard.

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11b April 3, 2014 at 4:00 am

It's NEVER going to happen. All branches will NOT agree to wear the same uniform unless mandated by congress, which I think is the next step. At least I hope, so we can have some goddamn camo that works.

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Ralph April 3, 2014 at 11:13 pm

The Hyperstealth camo was known to perform on par with crye's submission, the only category where it wasn't above or equal to crye's submission was transitional to desert. It's also thought to have the best NIR and SWIR results however the army didn't test SWIR and some claim that NIR was rigged to boost crye

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Hodge175 April 4, 2014 at 12:54 am

Know where, because I have never seen any of the data released on the Phase IV camo test. Where and when was that data released.

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Dave April 2, 2014 at 10:35 pm

WOW! Somebody is getting rich on this ridiculous retesting program!!!!!!

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Matt April 3, 2014 at 12:39 am

As someone who's looking to enlist in a few weeks, this is bullshit

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11b April 3, 2014 at 4:01 am

Welcome. Get used to having gear that probably doesn't do what you want it to lol.

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Justin April 3, 2014 at 3:02 pm

The Army has plenty more bullshit for ya. This is nothing. Welcome!

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Joshua April 3, 2014 at 1:31 am

I thought that the army test last year held that ANOTHER Crye pattern NOT multicam won. Multicam was a close runner up..

Then army went all MULTICAM FOR ALL!!! Wtf happened to the fucking competition winner? What fucking pattern was it?

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Hodge175 April 3, 2014 at 6:13 pm

It was a updated version of Multicam that one the tests you are talking about, they made a version for Jungle and Arid conditions as well as a temperate version. Those are what won, but the army never bought the rights to them even though they were proven to be the best patterns in the testing.

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Stefan S. April 3, 2014 at 4:06 am

Typical for Obama's Army! The blind leading the blind. The Good Idea Fairy strikes again! LMFAO. I'm retired so hang on kiddies!.

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Rich McKinney April 3, 2014 at 7:02 am

This one is the Congress's doing. Just the idea that having all the services in one pattern will same money is ludicrous.

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majr0d April 3, 2014 at 1:34 pm

How would it not save money? More use of a pattern drives down its cost. Prices often vary on an item just based on the pattern.

Fabric could be bought by the gov't in large lots driving down costs and supplied to vendors for fabrication of service specific uniforms, vests etc.. Pouches could now be utilized by more service members increasing the customer base and volume which makes production cheaper.

Then there's OPSEC and not giving intel away to an enemy on who they are fighting.

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Justin April 3, 2014 at 3:00 pm

Since you have a few more connections than the rest of us, do you think it would be possible to check into Crye’s 1% printing fee claim? They may infact charge that, but I’m curious if they have any policy regulating how much dealers who utilize their pattern are allowed to charge for items. 5.11 has a policy regulating how low items can be priced and I would be surprised if Crye didn’t as well. If that’s the case then they share a bit more blame in this fiasco than they have admitted thus far. Whatever the case is they have done something to piss the Army off. I’m curious what it is. Money can’t be it. They piss that away without much concern on a daily basis. Anyway, just a thought.

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JEFF April 3, 2014 at 8:39 am

So the Army is going to do another round of testing and put up a pixelated Multicam rip off up against MARPAT, OEP-Multicam, Kryptek, Brookwood and US4CES. I bet their arguement will be "there is no clear winner but we can save X amount of money by going with digital Multicam with MARPAT or AOR to round out the family of camo." That sounds like what their are trying to do. Just a wild guess but I'd be shocked with any other outcome.

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NeoConVet April 3, 2014 at 11:17 am

Given the concern about budget to support the 1 in 5 Unemployed, the 1 in 6 on Food Stamps, the So-Called Free Obamacare and 16,000 new IRS Employees… I can see where the Army will wear the Civil War Style Blue Wool Uniform for all purposes and carry sling shots vs. rifles to be environmentally acceptable.

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Josh B April 3, 2014 at 12:24 pm

When is this going to end? We wasted how many millions on UCP only to discover it only works with gravel and your grandmother’s couch. Then we spent even more to purchase uniforms and equipment in Multicam specifically for the ‘Stan. Then there was the untold millions spent to test several patterns to replace UCP service wide only yo have congress apply the e-brake now we are going to spend even more. Either adopt MARPAT with either coyote brown, or ranger green equipment or go with Kryptek. Both options have already been researched and patterns that will meet DODs needs.

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wtpworrier April 3, 2014 at 1:37 pm

GEEZ! Why do the Army keep rehashing this old stuff, they are beginning to act like the Navy, they can't decide on nothing. Pick a da-m pattern and go with it, It's not rocket science. Sound like somebody is trying to make themselves look more inportant by dragging this out. If you want to look more important in your job, then do a better damn job.

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bombbuster72 April 3, 2014 at 3:29 pm

Wow, Beat a dead horse much?

Please just let this insanity end. At this point I'm ready for my woodland BDU's back.

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jay April 3, 2014 at 4:22 pm

They’ll make a digital multicam ripoff and make sure it wins. The problem is, they tested one such a ripoff and was not as good as multicam or the other finalists.
I like Hyperstealth’s US4ces. Is much better than multicam at night and it adds depth to the patern.

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TOM PASTORIUS April 3, 2014 at 5:24 pm

Their seams like their is a problem with statement of work—it is difficult to put something into writing when you don't know what you want—thus the contractor definitely have a lot of modification until they get it right. The answer can be solved by the above action in expressing what they need before issuing the statement of work–the engineers need to work the comptroller to resolve the problem(and avoiding cost overruns

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Engineer April 3, 2014 at 7:32 pm

I'm just guessing, but I'll bet Crye gives the Army the finger and tells them go take a hike – "we won the previous test we ain't playing again!"

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Hodge175 April 4, 2014 at 1:10 am

That’s actually 100% incorrect, this all lays at the feet of the US ARMY leadership or lack there of, they are the ones that have been giving companies the finger and a large one at that. There are reasons large companies pulled out of the carbine trials and don’t get involved on these matters they spend all the R&D money and the army screws them over in the end. They have been doing it to CRYE for a long time

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jay April 4, 2014 at 3:15 am

Absolutely agree. Companies spend tons of money on testing and developing new things, then bend over backwards trying to adapt their stuff to the ever changing army specs, only to get ripped off in the end. Carbine competition, SCAR competition, camo competition and all kind of bullshit the army thinks about at one point or another.
The truth is, the military has a system based on bribes and golden parachute retirement plans and only certain companies are allowed to make money. Usually this are the lazy, incompetent ones,who invest in buying generals instead of developing new things.

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TD April 4, 2014 at 3:49 am

Isn’t the definition of insanity, performing the same act over and over, especting. A different result?

All the 11-series, 18-series and other actual trigger pullers start an online petition at WhiteHouse.gov to put a halt to this nonsense and hold bureaucrats in uniform accountable to the United States Taxpayers. First for the original fiasco that resulted in Chemlight Cam, aka UCP being chosen over. The original actual winner, and, for the millions spent to retewst initiated by Rep Murtha now continued waste in more drawnout testing, while the Army’s Warfighters pay for the dcommand staff’s ineptitude.

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Steve April 4, 2014 at 4:38 am

I don’t understand. Have we been getting wiped out on the battlefield because of the camouflage pattern on our uniforms? Has the foulage or weather changed in the past 50 years that would require billions of dollars to be spent to change the design of the uniform? We should leave well enough alone and invest that money in something else our military needs.

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Doug April 4, 2014 at 5:09 pm

Round and round we go where we stop nobody knows!!

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mstormm1 April 5, 2014 at 7:18 pm

They are only allowed to select existing patterns not create new ones due to a law passed by congress. In other words, they cannot use any patterns in the last camo competition which are the best on the planet. They must go backwards and select patterns already in use. That's what the new law requires.

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MAJ.D April 9, 2014 at 6:43 pm

I thought Congress shut down the funding for this for FY14. What did I miss?

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Terry Marion April 9, 2014 at 10:27 pm

WHO OWNS STOCK IN THE CLOTHING MFG. COMPANY'S THAT WILL EVENTUALITY GET THE CONTRACT TO MAKE ALL THE NEW REQUIRED WEB GEAR AND UNIFORMS ?

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djc April 10, 2014 at 10:20 am

Let the lady soldiers come up with a pattern and save thousands of dollars. Picking out patterns is not a mans job, just leave it to us ladies and we will get the job done.

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Doc April 12, 2014 at 5:06 pm

You can test all you want but my experience has been that solid colors take advantage of natural light and shadow to blend in. When you put a shadow where it doesn't belong the human eye can pick it out a mile away. A lighter spot within a shadow will do the same thing. OD green and desert tan washed dull will blend in far better than any camo pattern you can come up with.

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USARMYRET. May 31, 2014 at 10:19 am

The ARMY hasn’t gothen it right with uniforms, for the past forty plus years. What a joke!

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majr0d April 3, 2014 at 1:27 pm

The recent law outlawed limiting a pattern to one branch.

ACU uses the identical fractal pattern that MARPAT uses. ACU just uses different colors.

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Hodge175 April 3, 2014 at 1:45 pm

And nothing that the army will design will be better than the winner or say the second place camo in the Phase IV patterns. And to say book end it with Marpat or AOR 1/2, the problem with that is they all have a different geometry. It would be like wearing poka dots and strips together .

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majr0d April 3, 2014 at 2:06 pm

You have reason to be skeptical but keep in mind the Army developed all the patterns we used as a nation before 2001. The effective patterns of WWII, ERDL, Woodland, Chocolate Chip, Night Desert Camo, Coffeestain and in conjunction with Crye, the Scorpion pattern.

That said, I agree with not reinventing the wheel but I think the three uniform pattern Army approach is excessive. Two uniform patterns with a transitional for gear is the right mix for the environments and the cost. Seems the Army can't shake the universal camo pattern bug which is multicam's strength (and weakness).

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