Battle of the Battle Rifle Grips: Grauer IGRS

When Ward and I attended the ITI tactical shooting course a few weeks ago, instructor Brandon Wright, taught us a new way to grip the rifle with our support hand by canting our wrists and throwing the thumb over the barrel. Grauer-IGRS That’s great when you’re using a forward grip like the Magpul Angled Fore Grip, but as we reported in March, some people like to use (and teach) the “horizontal hold” using the magazine well with grip support. EMA Tactical developed a couple solutions to this technique, and we just ran across another innovative look at how to better stabilize your battle rifle using the magwell for a grip.

The Grauer Integrated Grip Rail System takes the EMA product a step further by basically taking over the magwell entirely. The beefy grip is designed to:

“make it easier to maneuver and control the weapon when holding with just the non-shooting hand … [and] also further enhances the traditional ‘horizontal hold’ by providing a more ergonomic way to apply rearward pressure for better weapon control.

So, whether shooting while standing, prone, over a barrier or around a doorway, whether maneuvering through tight spaces or on patrol, the IGRS is the ultimate weapon enhancement platform for the warfighter.

The other thing the new IGRS has it a so-called “flared magazine funnel” which aids in quicker reloads. The grip also has “internal wire routing” that allows the operator to integrate light and laser optic switches directly into the grip.

It’s a big piece of gear (Grauer recommends a trained dealer install it for you) and at $499, it’s also pretty Gucci on price. But with the battle over battle rifle grips taking shape, solutions like this are surely going to vy for the vert grip supremacy.

  • billy

    big, bulky, heavy, and ugly. great kit!

  • Chris

    heavy and useless, DoD will order as many as it can get I’m sure

  • Connor McCloud

    Big , ugly and bulky, and expensive, Mako magwell grip = light small and cheap.

    the Army will go with the big Ugly and expensive.

  • goochkw

    This actually makes some sense/ Flared magazine wells have always been popular in tactical pistol shooting and the added grip area on the front of the mag well looks sweet. $500.00????????????? Eat me….

  • RJ Recio

    anything to have an advantage at whatever costs but units should purchase the product. Would be great for shooting while on one knee.

  • QRF

    An ingenious solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.

    Semper Fi!

  • Don Reitmeyer

    I thought the Marine Corps taught me how to hit what I aimed at pretty well, and it doesn’t cost a thing but time and practice. Add more crap to your weapon and you have more crap to deal with and carry. Learn to shoot like a U.S. Marine and you won’t need the $500 add-on?

    • Barry V

      AMEN to that, brother! Semper Fi.

      • Alex

        There it is, Marines !

    • Mark

      Amen! Learn to control the weapon and yourself like they taught us and whatever you are shooting at has a hole in it. Semper Fi, brother.

    • CoRpSbAdArSe

      yeah, no sheyte. I heard of this gunny at the rifle range that had a broken lower receiver on his m16. Rumor has it that using some specific MRE contents ( TP, hot sacuse, chewing gum and fork), he manged to shoot expert with out being burdened with a weapon (the magazine was actaully used as the “gun”). So, if we Marines can do more-with-less, don’t give us a bunch of useless crap to hump around with. Do you really think those supply buba’s have nothing better to do?!?!

      *the PMI supposedly noted that Gunny modified the MRE fork to use as a firing pin or something and this should not be attempted by; Army troop, Navy guys, Air Force or Marines under E4

    • Guest

      yeah! who needs newer equipment that challenges conventional wisdom? gimme my A1 and keep all your new-fangled improvements!

      personally, i think this thing is waaaay too expensive, but i’m not gonna berate someone if they like it. if someone thinks it makes them a $500 better shooter, then good for them. i just hope i’m not footing the bill as a tax payer for another piece of crap that most grunts don’t even want.

  • The Old Master Chief

    Enter text right here!Semper fi Marine: the old master chief

  • Don Reitmeyer

    Semper Fi Marines……… Now if someone could forward this “Memo” to MCHQ Quantico maybe they could use the kick back to take better care of the Warriors who wear the Eagle, Globe, and Anchor; who use only 1/5 of the defense budget and do more by 9 a.m. than most people do ALL Day!. There is a reason why our enemies fear the U.S. Marines. Rifleman First. 0351- Always.

  • QRF

    An ingenious solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.

    Semper Fi!

  • Zef

    What is this? Please someone throw this piece of junk away before someone buys it!

  • j gordon

    Just another piece of bric brac to add to a weapon to make it look cool – doesn’t add to rifleman’s able to engage a target – if you can’t shoot you can shoot.

    • c. Hebestreit

      totally agree-looks dont count as hits, and you can’t hurt ’em if you can’t hit ’em!

  • j gordon

    Just another piece of bric brac to add to a weapon to make it look cool – doesn’t add to rifleman’s able to engage a target – if you can’t shoot you can shoot.

    • c. Hebestreit

      totally agree-looks dont count as hits, and you can’t hurt ’em if you can’t hit ’em!

  • RICK

    site alignmet, squeeze how much simpler does it get KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID

  • MRC-135

    I’m old Corps, I did liked the MTV like music video though. KISS the less shit to hump the better. Semper Fi

  • Stan

    I agree with the Marine corps boys above, learn to shoot. It’s just more crap to carry. “Stan” former French Foreign Legion Paras.

  • Ya gotta be kidding thats a pos. Learn to aim and shoot like you should. Those kind of gimmicks are only ideas of the loonies looking for a promotion and some short term noteriety. Maybe buy everyone a shotgun.

  • MRC-135

    I’m old Corps, I did liked the MTV like music video though. KISS the less shit to hump the better. Semper Fi

  • Patrick

    I always did quite well stabilizing the weapon with the sling.

  • KJO

    When do you need to hold your weapon with your nonshooting hand…besides when handing it into the armorer?

  • animal

    some senators brother is selling these im sure

  • RQR

    Obviously developed by a pogue who never had to hump the junk. If you can’t eat it, drink it or shoot it, f*** it.
    Semper Fi.

  • Nuclear Ogre

    As a former bubblehead who’s only shot on the range, I honestly don’t see the problem with just holding my AR on the bare magwell, and as long as I’m not pulling on the mag itself, and I haven’t had any issues with it. Those of you with more experience than me (which shouldn’t be too hard :P ), can you see any reason to get this and not just keep doing what I’m doing? I can’t think of any, and to me it just seems to be an expensive paperweight to carry around.

  • Regular Guy

    As an instructor and armorer as well for navy specwar, I see a lot of ‘gucci’ kit slung around with our guys, everyone tweaks the M4 to his liking and uses what works. From my own experience and tribal knowledge I’d say this thing is a _mess_. We tend to all like having a beefy forward handle to really punch out hard with for muzzle striking. Thats not going to happen with this system… Another plus for handles is in retention should someone grab at the muzzle. This puts your hands way too close together, you give an attacker a easy pivot point to take your weapon, and also give away accuracy/control in firing. My take, this is PURE GARBAGE. You will do far better with a traditional hold or forward handle. Recommend an armorer install this? If my guys brought this to me I’d tell them to get a refund…

  • jtruog

    That thing is gayer than a bag of dicks. Gripping your rifle by the magwell is bad juju. You want to get as forward on the gun as you can. At least that’s what all the repuatble gunfighters teach

  • Richard J Reed

    Is anyone else upset that a reality tv show is using the Marine Corp emblem as its logo? The show “Operation Repo” justifes it as the owner of the company is a former marine.

  • Wolfgang

    Not so fast there cowboy, the magwell grip is actually more accurate than holding the gun by the barrel as our rifles (M16’s) are not all free-floated, holding the weapon as forward as possible or wrapping the sling around your arm and pulling hard can distort your point of impact. Although a grip is favorable in some circumstances (like Regular Guy says), the magwell hold is specially handy in other circumstances; like lying prone and resting your magazine on the floor as a monopod. And some kneeling positions also.

    For the sake of clarity, if you can get a hold of a laser bore sight, and a barrel mounted laser pointer, take your upper and either vise it to a table (just by the upper receiver, not the barrel!) or have someone rest his body weight on the upper (by the carrying handle hole) and align the laser bore sight and barrel mounted laser pointer. The distance can be short, say 50 feet. After this, when the laser dots are crossed and fully aligned, have someone put their hand (or even finger!) on top on the barrel and apply some pressure, watch those dots on the wall and see what happens!

    I’ve seen this demo and those dots, at short distance, separate noticeably…Imagine what would happen at much greater distances…say 500 or 600mts. Slings are useful but can decrease accuracy, holding your rifle forward and applying pressure can also distort your impacts downrange.

    I’m no expert in the matter, just happen to be SDM qualified and have seen this demo with my own eyes. Now coming back to this “device” which costs as much as a handgun or a decent used rifle, I think its pure garbage and much rather spend those same $500 to buy ammo and practice on my own…

    As for the “innovative” hold…I’ve been using that same “new” hold for years now…specifically when prone.

  • Ray Willis

    A Marine can hit a dog target at 500 yards with open sites, on average 9 out of 10 times, with wind, using a 1970s M-16. Other than snipers, engaging targets in actual combat at farther than 200 yards, say 300 yards, is exceptionally unusual. I can’t imagine, that even IF this grip provides an improvement, it would be significant enough to ever make a difference in COMBAT. You don’t need the extra weight either. If we have an extra $500 per, there are too many better uses.
    USMC (Ret) mustang
    0311/0302 C/1/5 RVN ’67-’68

    • Ppppppppp

      Every dog, we are told, has his day, unless there are more dogs than days. … Wyatt Earp

  • Don Reitmeyer

    The Local SWAT Teams will demand this piece of crap and your Tax dollars will be given for purchase. The U.S. Military should stay with what works, It’s not more “Junk” on your weapon that kills the enemy…..all you need is proper instruction and practice. I qualified Expert twice in the Corps and we used only a M-14 sling for better aim. Have you seen the U.S. Military scopes for sale at the Sportsman’s Guide? They cost the U.S.Govt. $2,500 plus and sell them now for 1/4 what they paid for them. Same thing will happen if this junk is” Approved”. Semper Fi Ray.

  • Craig Scheel

    Carry that bitch non stop for a week and you’ll be pulling it off. Why not mount a golden dildo too?

  • Craig Scheel

    Carry that bitch non stop for a week and you’ll be pulling it off. Why not mount a golden dildo too?

  • Ron

    I have to agree with my fellow Marines. There is just too much junk hanging off the front of the M4 these days. Even in the civilian world, there are too many mall ninjas putting every sort of device on their weapons. My AR15 carbine just has one thing on the front, the front sight post.

    Just my $.02 Semper Fi my brothers!

  • Capt. A PANZERMACHER

    I was told by all my shooting instructors,,all combat vet.s-WW2,Korea-‘Nam,,that a superior rifleman can shoot ANYTHING well, AS-IS. I thought that is what was meant by “”overcome,improvise,adapt,,,,”,no crutches,,,don’t blame your tools,,,,,,,,,,,,,,NUFF SAID!!!

  • Ghost

    Back in ’65 at Fort Ord, I shot a match at age 13 against the Army’s best sniper team. They were shooting straight up M1 Garands. I was shooting an 1898 Argentine Mauser 7.65×53, stock with the exceptions of a peep sight and competition sling. The Army lost at 100, 200, 400 and 600 yards. None of us had this Gucci bullcrap on our rifles. No one needed it back then! The Army team had sniper scopes and a sling on the Garands and that was it. Please tell this old war dog again why we need this crap!!! The jarheads said it right. No need for this junk if you know how to aquire a target, breath right and can pull a trigger without jerking it off! And as far as this prissy Gucci crap giving the shooter the edge to be able to hang onto the weapon is a bag of crap. If you can’t keep your rifle in your hands, then you should not be out there carrying one, plain and simple. This “new” device does nothing for the shooters accuracy but makes him feel superior to the enemy and that can work against a young, inexperienced soldier. Sell it to the rag heads and we’ll still shoot the shit out of them with a Red Ryder!!!

    • Sooz

      Ha! Loving that! Well said.

  • martin

    that’s not reality tv. its a load of crap. i worked as an extra and got paid poorly to stand around on tv shows and movies. as for operation repo – nowhere near being real. they offered me 100 dollars to be on the show and come running out like i’m all surprised they are going to “repo” my truck. i have to give them my spare keys before they start filming. make up stuff as they go along. doubt he was a marine.

  • Ghost

    Back in ’65 at Fort Ord, I shot a match at age 13 against the Army’s best sniper team. They were shooting straight up M1 Garands. I was shooting an 1898 Argentine Mauser 7.65×53, stock with the exceptions of a peep sight and competition sling. The Army lost at 100, 200, 400 and 600 yards. None of us had this Gucci bullcrap on our rifles. No one needed it back then! The Army team had sniper scopes and a sling on the Garands and that was it. Please tell this old war dog again why we need this crap!!! The jarheads said it right. No need for this junk if you know how to aquire a target, breath right and can pull a trigger without jerking it off! And as far as this prissy Gucci crap giving the shooter the edge to be able to hang onto the weapon is a bag of crap. If you can’t keep your rifle in your hands, then you should not be out there carrying one, plain and simple. This “new” device does nothing for the shooters accuracy but makes him feel superior to the enemy and that can work against a young, inexperienced soldier. Sell it to the rag heads and we’ll still shoot the shit out of them with a Red Ryder!!!

  • Mamba1-0

    I wasn’t a Marine – but I’ve always liked the way they teach shooting. Back in the 60s, the Army taught people how to hold a rifle properly and shoot. That seems to have gone by the board (along with the use of a real battle rifle in a reliable, killing caliber).
    This piece of gear really is an answer to a non-existant problem. All it does is add weight to the weapon and encourage sloppy shooting. (Spray and pray is not a good tactic.)
    Of course the DoD will buy it! It’s perfect!

  • LaRue

    For $500 I’ll stick with the current market items.

    AFG costs $35.

    Even the best VFG costs $100

  • Blake

    This thing looks like crap, Iv been shootin m4s and ars since I was 8 and I’m 17 now you don’t need any of that extra crap on a gun. Alighn your sights and squeze the trigger. I personally like a forward grip, which is much lighter and cheaper then this thing. (and yes I shoot reall AR 15s and m4s jus t because I’m younger doesent mean I shoot airsoft guns)

  • Sgt, USMC

    If you’re looking for something to hold the M4/M16 with, the broomstick works great, weighs a hell of a lot less, and costs about 15-20 bucks if you buy your own, and free if issued by your armory. As far as the comment about being able to use your magazine as a pivot point, have you ever been in a combat situation with a government issued magazine????????? Not only did I strip my mags down and restretch the springs once a week, and clean the rounds, and file the front of the mag down on some of them, just to make sure they’d work when I needed them, I never rested the weapon on the mag, just because that’s asking for the M16 to jam on me, since they’re such a forgiving weapon. Leave the expensive garbage for the civilians, I’ll stick with a barebones M16A4, with as little weight on it as I need….

    Semper Fi Mac,

  • Nick

    Wow, now they cut down reload time from 2 seconds to 1.9 …..for $499 each or a whole crate of them????. Someones gettin rich and it aint the guys needing the things.

  • Chris

    this “grip” is not just the grip around the mag well, it is the entire handguard system and weaver rail integrated platform. it looks to install like most other high end rail systems, with some gunsmithing. It looks like it’s comfortable to hold and use, although what about the weight on this thing? Is it ABS plastic or all metal? I think i would still prefer my regular picatinny rail system and vertical foregrip over this thing for the pricing though.

  • John B.

    Who did the TUNE?__METALLICA?
    I’m a Viet Nam Vet!

  • old grunt

    I am an old dog, but the last thing a dog face needs is more weight on his weapon. I started and qualified on an M-14, nice stable weap, but heavy as shit! Great for the DI’s in Basic as the recruits were dragging after the 10 mike stroll to the range with double time interludes, but carry that thing in combat. After Basic we requalified with the M16-A1. Boy the difference… 6 lbs vs 14 lbs. Try dragging the extra weight with a combat load on a 10 click sweep, hell even a 3 click sweep. As far as setting the mag down, not on your Life!! Our M16’s would fire as long as you held the trigger. Banana clips weren’t standard issue, but you would even trade beans and weenies C’s for one and go hungry, Tape ’em back to back and flip em. Last thing you want was to get the bottom mag full of shit. We qualified from 25 to 350M on the range, but never really engaged farther than 100 meters. Even the M16 was too heavy in the tunnels, there it was a flashlight, gas mask and a .45 ACP, add that yo your load, and you know why I was draggin at the end of the day. Keep it light, some poor grunt has to carry this shit to even get to the objective let alone engage. To the Jar Heads, Semper Fi Bro’s but remember us old Army Types knew how to fight as well.

    an OLD vet,
    RVN ’69-’70

    • Doc A

      No offense to the VN vets, I respect ya’ll for what you did, especially without the support we have these days. But ya’ll didn’t hump shit compared to what we have to hump these days. 12 miles in a 40 lb rucksack, wearing a 35lb vest, 2 lb helmet, 3-5 liters of water, 270 rounds of ammo (minimum, not counting Gunners/AG’s), +whatever specialty stuff you might need, Commo, Medical, etc.

      Now do I like this grip? Dunno, does look like it will add weight and bulk to the weapon. Personally I like the “Magpul style” grip, or a broomhandle up near the front. I don’t like tons of craziness as far as weight. Grippods are about the best thing you can have up front without getting heavy. Combines a bipod with a vertical forward grip.

    • Sooz

      Ha! I like the back to back tape idea. Hey, whatever gets the job done, right? Exactly right!

      I knew an old Navy Chief (female) once – a top-notch weapons instructor and kickass shooter who used one of her big ole boobs as a support for some of her longer practice rounds with her trainees. When she was challenged about that, she told the nasty dude that if he could pull his DI## up that far she wouldn’t care if he used IT as a support, if would help him shoot any better! Haaaaaaa! Laughed our butts off. She was awesome. Go Navy!

  • chuck

    I was taught to shoot by a Marine and it was with iron sites. Did pretty well. 500 bucks can buy a lot of beer.

  • Ivan

    Part of the advantage for me in grabbing the bare mag well is that ive got a couple of fingers on the mag ahead of time. So when its time to conduct a speed reload you can rip that mag right out. Some people practice the whole “keep the mag in the weapon and make it look loaded” method but if you grab that fresh mag, try to pass in flight, and that mag wont come out then youve got to take a little more time to shift your grip on the new mag to pull the old one out. Might be just me but thats my input and training style. No need to hump in that extra trash, do a lot with less.
    Semper Fi!

  • Tim
  • Sooz

    Go Navy! I did my decade in the Navy back in the early 70’s. As long as we’re bragging here, I can say I outshot most of the recruits and most of the other shooters I served with back in the ’74. I learned to shoot as a kid (Thanks, Dad! USN-Seabee) with a simple pellet gun and no sights, and I can still shoot the dingleberries off a gnat at 50 yards. As far as hitting a target goes, I don’t think it matters quite so much who taught you, where you served, what branch or unit or war you were in, what weapons or technology or sights or grip you use. What matters in the end is that you hit what you intended to hit with the kind of rounds that are meant for the job, and that you are an effective, accurate shooter. I’m proud of all you posters on this site, military or not. If you love this country, you’re my kind of people. USA! USA! USA! Go Navy!

  • Sooz

    ‘NUFF SAID. Exactly right.

  • Leon

    Gentleman. BLUF “Brilliance in the basics”. Know the fundamentals of shooting. All these attachments do is add weight to your weapon. They do not make you a better shooter. As a retired SF SGM I have to humbly give a thumbs up to our sister service. The USMC teaches their Marines how to shoot. Get your hands off the mag well and out on the forgrip as far as possible it’s more stable. The Magpul jpg give me a break….extend the butt stock like its supposed to be. Basics, basics, basics…..

    • Sooz

      Big time BLUF… exactly right, Leon. Dad always said “keep your hands off the G.D. mag”! But hey, I never saw combat so what the heck would I know about what works in THAT situation? Not much.

      Amen to your “basics, basics, basics” and thanks much for the props to your SISTER (in your sister service). “Sooz” = “Susie.” Everybody in my family served, including all of the women… wives, sisters, daughters, and now the sisters-in-law and nieces-in-law. We just love our country.

      Big pride and hugs to all of you.

  • Jason

    Save your money. Buy a Mag Well grip from the Mako Group for less than $30.

  • RikkyDino

    I dunno how it was in the 60’s, but from my experience at the range…most Marines can’t hit 9 out 10 in the 500. Many marines are lucky if they can hit 5 out of 5. Also we dont shoot Dog targets at the 500 anymore, it’s the B-mod. We shoot the Dog target on the 300yd.

  • Cpl.N.DiEmedio

    it says quicker reload.. yet i reload faster than that soldier in the firt clip lol all u need is a Surefire Handgrip and your good. Semper Fi. Riflemen First. 0351 – Always

  • tragedy

    The military won’t be buying these but the internet commando brigade will surely have them on backorder in no time and I was in the army for 6 years with 3 of those years as a sniper and one state pistol and rifle championship to my name so your branch of service has nothing to do with marksmanship unless you are navy or air force lol just kidding I’ve competed with some excellent air force shooters.

  • Don Reitmeyer

    God Bless the Squid D*cks, we Marines would have no one to knock over when “General Quarters” is sounded on board Ship. Thanks for the Rides Sailor! We couldn’t have gotten there without you.

  • OldShooter_5326

    Marketing junk….we put front hand-grips on guns for muzzle striking immediate threats, not for shooting/accuracy. It’s about weapons retention. If you can’t shoot, a $500 piece of aluminum/plastic is not going to help you. You should review your IADs before buying or installing junk like this on a combat weapon. Great video…..I especially like the interviewer/interrogator with a Sig Sauer and the hooded interrogatee. Wait ’till some liberal gets a hold of this for propoganda purposes.

  • Weaselfish

    the magwell grip was started with operators that were using the short MP5 subguns that have short barrels. With those weapons its a great grip but with a weapon that has a longer barrel all the magwell grip does is cause you to swing past your target if you are engaging multiple attackers. you are gripping so far back that it is harder to stop the movement of the weapon when transitioning to each target.

  • RMW

    Hmm, more stuff on our carbines that are exceeding the weight of an M1 Garand???
    Not to bore myself with specifics but there is nothing inherently ergonomic about the M4/AR 15/M16, continually retrofitting a dinosaur with updated crap doesn’t make it something it will never be. Most of the arguement in this article is a case for bullpups. But, like the 6.5mm bullet and other things, the bullpup will never find it’s place in America. Why isn’t the pistol grip reversed on our rifles 20-30 degres the other direction? it is an unnatural position for your wrist in it’s current position with your shoulder locked into your side.Why doesn’t someone build a rifle that works with ergonomics and human dynamics instead of us molding our bodies and having to train muscle memory around the rifle? Just sayin.
    I can’t leave well enough alone, but my experiences as should everyone be unique, and just because some “tacticool” company or ex-whoever says this is the “new style” of doing this or that, doesn’t make it so. Again, everyones experiences, abilities are their own. I especially love seeing a 5, 0′ tall female try to maniuplate a A2 rifle, your right guys, mag grips are a terrible idea. I’m not equivocating, there is right and wrong but many things are adaptive, quit with the rigid pedigogy of what is best today as I wait for it to change tomorrow. I liked the Marines comments on shooting. Nicely put. Anyway, I’m am a shorter guy, my length of pull is shorter and so is my desire to extend my non-shooting arm any further than absolutely has to with a gun that should be 3lbs less on the forend. For all the faster recoil guys, it’s a .223 not a freeking 30-06, if recoil control is that much of a problem add a comp. Try a Steyr, XM 18, or a FS 2000, while not perfect, the benefits of a bulllpup with rearward weight, compact design, and a muzzle end recoil system will be quickly appreciated and most of this discussion about $500 pieces of retro crap will be moot. And yes, more elouquently and more technically that was my recommendation to AFSOC and SOCOM along with a 6.5mm combat round, the grendel gets 4 1/2 of 5 thumbs up. Why the SCAR platform with interchangeable barrels wasn’t presented with this is beyond me, then we wouldn’t need .223 and .308 platforms, oh that’s right they did away with those also. Whatever! But, with the SCAR here we are again adding all kind of weight. Just add that to the vest the plates, etc…I think we are up to what 110lbs a soldier now? My prefered weapon was a GAU 5when they were available, minus the occassional jams, the CQB (10.5 versions are great when they work). Simple, slick, light, nothing to break. Could it be improved? drastically by creating a whole new weapon, which is my point let’s quit retrofitting this dinosaur. Most combat engagements happen under 150 meters, well within it’s effective range especially if it was a shortened 6.5mm cartridge, heck load up 6.5 TCU rounds, just rebore the stupid barrels for a fraction of the cost. I’m not saying there isn’t a need for a combat rifle with other applications but overall this would fill about 99% of the military’s needs but I would rather have a bullpup.

    One alibi, I hope Leon wasn’t a weapon’s Sgt in the last 20 years or so. Shooting is mostly shooter, not the weapon, the trigger, the goochie gear. I bought some Ping titanium/graphite golf clubs once they didn’t improve my game over my K-mart Northwestern steel clubs for a 10th of the price. But, damn if I didn’t look the part and talk a good game about how great the clubs were, problem wasn’t the clubs is was my golf game.

  • RMW

    I just watched the video, was this a gears of war video promo with neighborhood teenagers?

  • RMW

    All those who drove lincoln SUVs in the desert raise your hands. still waiting.