If you’re a fan of this blog, chances are you’ve fired a Remington Model 700 at some point in your life. The 700 is to hunting what the Louisville Slugger is to baseball or the Callaway Big Bertha is to golf. But this venerable rifle is the subject of a CNBC expose that airs tomorrow night at 9 PM EST. Here’s a highlight:
For it’s part, Remington has released the following statement:
“We provided CNBC with a lot of factual information and background materials, but it appears that the story will be based upon unproven allegations from trial lawyers. The Remington model 700 is the most popular and trusted bolt action rifle in the world with over 5 million rifles produced and billions of rounds fired since 1962. Remington takes safety very seriously. As always, we strongly urge everyone to practice the ten commandments of firearms safety.”
Whatever the truth here, one of Jack Belk’s statements seems inarguable to us: ”A gun should not fire without the trigger being pulled.”
Roger that. And while we’re on the subject, here are the 10 Commandments of Gun Safety:
1. Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
2. Firearms should be unloaded when not actually in use.
3. Don’t rely on your gun’s safety.
4. Be sure of your target and what is behind it.
5. Use proper ammunition.
6. If your gun fails to fire when the trigger is pulled, handle with care.
7. Always wear eye and ear protection when shooting.
8. Be sure the barrel is clear of obstructions before shooting.
9. Don’t alter or modify your gun and have it serviced regularly.
10. Learn the mechanical and handling characteristics of the firearm you are using.
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Unfortunately the 700 series does have a known issue with firing at times without the trigger being pulled. This happened with one of our department sniper rifles earlier this year – on an exercise fortunately – and Remington themselves stated it is a known occurrence, but had no fix.
I'd suggest your department gets a new "smith," or stops sending their rifles to the nearest gunshop smith.
I wonder, how NBC is going to use model rocket engines to prove their point this time?
I BET YOU WOULD SAY THE SAME IF IT WERE A RECALL ON YOUR CAR ! YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE THE ONE TO IGNORE IT AND CONTINUE TO DRIVE IT AND END UP KILLING SOMEONE!!!!
The precurser of the 700, the Model 660, had that problem. When you moved the safety switch it sometimes fired. My Mom's M660 .308 carbine got a safety recall back in the '70's to get the safety mechinism replaced.
I recall hearing about this a number of years ago, and a quick google search turns up a couple of reports from CBS back in 2001 covering the same topic. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/02/07/evening… and http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/17/evening…
Yup, I recall the Mohawk, I believe it was called, anyway a model 600 series Remington, did exactly this. I had a .243 M700 for 25 years that never dropped the pin accidentally, and I know I treated it roughly. I hope if they do accidentally fire it happens to the guy that stole my gun, and hits him.
Anyway, the 700 is a fine weapon, but if it misfires, I agree, shelve it and certainly do not buy any more for our military. There are other fine gun makers out there who definitely do NOT have this problem with their guns. Contract with them.
BTW: this is not an isolated incident. Another major manufacturer has the same problem. And they have not corrected it. Unfortunately, I can not name them because we settled my suit out of court and I do not wish to pay them all the money I received and go through more litigation. when they sue me for talking. Be very careful what 1911 you buy, guys. It's got soft metal made in South America or somewhere they could not track down that wears out and causes a discharge WITHOUT ANY PRESSURE ON THE TRIGGER. Said too much already.
Back to the M700: Investigate, authenticate, and act on the authentication if it occurs.
Yes, I know of of the 1911 clone problem. About 20 years ago an acquaintance put one of these in the back waist band of his pants and had an accidental discharge. Luckly the round left a clean hole in his butt and did'nt hit any vital arteries or nerves.
Begun, the great internet ecdutaion has.
Problems with Rem Mdl 700s have been ongoing for years. One problem is that the safety only blocks the trigger, not the firing pin. The Mauser type safety blocks bothe firing pin and trigger. In a normal hunting situation the Remington's unsafe, safety problem, is of minor concern, IF you use good gun safety practices. In a combat situation, it is a whole different ball of wax.
So far as being the world's top sporting rifle, that is Remington propaganda. The Mauser action would probably be in that catagory, for numerous reasons.
IMO for what the Army is spending to refurbish a bunch of older Remington sniper rifles, by shopping around, taking competative bids and spending the money wisely, they could probably get a new off the shelf rifle, that is better than the Rem-700. There is nothing new or revoluntary about bolt action rifles. They have been around for about a 140 years now, and is well known what works and what doesn't work. There is no need for a long drawn out testing process, everything on the market has been previously tested for decades.
I don't think this is a machine problem as much as it is a human problem. A machine only does what its told. If you don't clean your weapon or don't fix a broken part something will go wrong. I've never once had a 700 do this to me, and neither has my 6mm 600 mohawk.
Just because it hasn't happened to you does not mean it does not happen. It is a trigger asssembly design problem. Parts get a little worn, or out of adjustment, and Blammo. It is a great target type trigger, but not real great on the safety end. My match rifle has no safety whatsoever, and the Remington style trigger is set for 2 oz pull. But then I am not going to carry or shoot that rifle in a combat or even hunting situation.
Dude, worn or out of adjustment isn't a design problem. It's a maintenance problem which tracks right back to being the end user's fault.
Some of these rifles are doing this because of hacks trying to do backyard trigger jobs, too.
Defective parts? Remington's fault. Worn or modified parts? Your fault.
Absolutely agree 100 percent. I have five model 700′s in my collection of various calibers to include dozens of other Remington arms and have never had one problem and don’t expect I ever will. The overall problem is that there are too many wannabe hunters and shooters out there who know nothing about caring for a firearm
Sorry, but just because it hasn't happened to you does not mean it hasn't happened to others.
This is just a maintenance issue. I see it from time to time in my current job and all you have to do is brush or blow out any fine dirt that is around the sear. The real fine dirt is not allowing the sear to release when the trigger is pulled. But when the bolt handle is moved it gives the firing pin just enough room to release. If you make sure you clean you sear the way i said and run some rim oil through the trigger housing (making sure you get any excess out) you will be fine. Rem 700 is a precision weapon with tight tolerances, take care of it and it will take care of you.
Wrong answer. The last thing you want to use on a Remington trigger is oil. One it doesn't need any oil, just to be clean. The suggested method of cleaning and lubricating Remington match triggers is lighter fluid, though I guess gasoline would work.
I WAS AT SPORTSMANS WEARHOUSE A YEAR AGO AND WAS LOOKING AT A KIMBER MODLE 84 AND IT DID THE SAME THING THAT THE MODLE DID . BUT IM NOT GOING TO GIVE UP MY 700'S BECAUSE OF A TRIGER PROBLEM. IVE BEEN USING THE MODLE 700 SENCE 1975 AND NEVER HAD A ACCIDENTIAL DISCHARGE FROM A FACTORY SET TRIGER .LIBS AND ABORTIONIST KILL MORE PEOPLE THAN ANY RIFLE DOES IN A YEARS TIME . ALWAYS BE CAREFUL WITH ANY FIRE ARM .
Remington had a recall a number of yrs. ago for this problem.Send it in and fx'd for free. Always remember, safety first. My 1968 model did it to me twice in 42 yrs.
ATTENTION OLD MAN STILLWELL. YOU NEED TO HIT THE KEY ON YOUR KEY BOARD THAT SAYS "CAPS LOCK" THAT WAY YOU CAN PRODUCE LETTERS THAT LOOK LIKE this.
I've bought two Remington firearms, one a 700 and the other an 870 shotgun. Both were defective from the factory and failed to function correctly straight out of the box. In this day and age, how hard is it to manufacture a bolt action rifle or a pump shotgun??? I'll be d*mned if I buy anything from them again.
May I ask what kind of defect you experienced with your 870? I have one and have experienced several problems.
Isay it;s bullshit if you dont tamper with the trigger adjustments to lighten the trigger pull there is no danger just propoganda
Just buy a Savage and enjoy
I also have carried a Model 700 for many years. Quantify that I guess and say more than 40 years. I for one have always kept my weapons in the best of operating condition. Well cleaned and oiled. The Model 700's that I first purchased were manufactured in 1968-70 timeframe. I fired thousands upon thousands of rounds through them each, whether it was the 243 Winchester we used for varmints or the 270 that I carried for 30 years or more on various hunting excursions. Continued in next post…
I was never a fair weather hunter as I was taught how to still hunt by an Uncle of mine who also had many many years experience with any one of dozens of Model 700's or Winchester Model 70 or the 660 Mohawk as they refer to the short carbine that Remington made. I liked the Model 788 also and I can say that whether it be in the scorching heat of the sun in the summertime or the freezing cold of the winters in Northern Pennsylvania, I never had a misfire repeat my weapons none of them every went off and sent a round down the tube before I properly released the safety and squeezed off the shot by pulling the trigger. Continued next post
I was fortunate to have known some of the finest 1000 yard shooters of the 60' and 70's. Together we fired many thousands of rounds with out incident. If any of them are still around then I hope that they too can say their piece here. Cliff Hocker was one, another we called Procasco and of course Edward Miller. Shooters who were born and raised with the necessity to be able to hunt during the Great depression years to be able to survive. God blessed them all as he did me for knowing them. Thank you for understanding….
Thakns for the input, Donald, ant we do respect the experience you've related. That said, it would seem that Remington has known of this problem for some time and hasn't resolved the issue. I've owned Savage, Marlin, Winchester, Ruger, and a bunch of war-surplus firearms (including a Mosin-Nagant that has NEVER let me down!) and have never experienced this phenomenon with any of them.
I'd be very reluctant to EVER load, much less carry and fire, ANY firearm that proved to be prone to involantarily discharge without even touching the trigger. I'd hate to tell you where I would wish to insert the barrel into the Factory Rep should it ever happen to any of my family…
I have known of the problem with the remington 700 family of rifles. the trigger has some weakness and if pull is lowered to below 3.5 #, the trigger is oiled, dirty or damaged by improper care there is possiblity of the trigger releasing the firing pin when the safety is moved, the bolt is closed on loaded round. Reminton has known of this problem for 30 yrs or more. IN the past Remington paid off the damages and went on.
The new model 700 trigger over comes the problem. if the trigger has groves on the face of the trigger its an old model.
I bulid custom sniper rifles on the rem 700 action and I exchange the trigger in all of the them. Better trigger, safer and no worries.
Steve Langford
Millett sights.
Steve,
Will the shilling or jewel replacement triggers solve this problem?….and do they block both the trigger and the firing pin?
royce Lubke
This reminds me of the Toyota recall, everyone said it was driver error until an off duty CHP officer called 911 to advise them that his car was accelerating by itself. He and his family died.
Are you trying to tell me that a CHP officer was too ignorant to simply turn off the ignition?
Facts: The key can not be removed from the lock unless the shift control lever is in PARK, but you can turn it to OFF.
Brakes are more powerful than any engine in a stock automobile. If you need proof, stopwatch the time from 0 to 60 mph. then stopwatch the time for a panic stop from 60 MPH to 0. (If your tires are NOT squealing, then you are not panic stopping.)
Both Toyota and Ford have publicized a built in safety on the braking system of hybrids that only requires a farther push on the brake pedal if/when this occurs. This is needed because without the brake delay the regeneration will not occur and recharge the battery.
The dealers should inform buyers of this and there should be an instruction track and a program to cause the fault where the buyer can be educated into what is needed.
WHAT KEY ARE YOU GOING TO TURN OFF WHEN YOUR RIFLE GOES OFF BY ITSELF ??????????
First off:
It was a Mercedes and not a Toyota that killed the CHP officer.
Second:
It was the floor mat that wedged the gas pedal down and not the vehicles computer.
Third:
It was a loaner car becasue the families car was in the shop (not familiar with controls)
Fourth:
It had an electric push buttin egnition switch, no key to turn ""off"
Fifth:
I heared the whole phone call it was less than 20 seconds from call to crash, barely any reaction time.
It was unfortunate and the shop that loaned the car was owned by a family friend of the deceased. But it is misinformation like this that leads to poor public information. I assume that hte Rminton 700 safety issue is more user error that factory error.
This all falls back on some so-called "professional" smith who thinks they know everything about every gun or a DIYer. Either way they adjust the screws on the old-style trigger assembly and do it incorrectly or don't RESEAL the screws. There's a reason you put thread-lock on screws that are part of a mechanical system.
I read an article about this on RangerMades Military Tactical gear site.
http://www.rangermade.us
they confirm the issue but only if the trigger has been adjusted.
I bet the gun banners love this joker!! soros is already sending him a check, can we all say propaganda?
I HOPE YOU DON'T OWN ANY WEAPONS!!! THIS IS DEER SEASON AND I WILL BE OUT FOR THE TROPHY BUCK, WE DON'T NEED PEOPLE WITH BAD ATTITUDES TOWARDS GUN SAFETY LIKE YOU IN THE WOODS WITH REAL HUNTERS, THIS ABOUT INFORMING THE GUN OWNER OF SERIOUS SAFETY ISSUE NOT ABOUT BANNING GUNS. YOU NEED TO STRAY FROM THE TEA PARTY IDIOTS MISINFORMATION THATS WHAT PROPAGANDA IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My name is Laura and I digital work for Remington. If you're looking for a credible source, check out Remington's response to the biased CBS program: http://www.remington700.tv
so what up with you? And what are you going in to?
hey when it comes to the military anyone who knows anything or has ever been in the military says the exact same thing,your weapon is made by the lowest bidder,the m-16 and m-4 is made by mattel the toy company,and most people say i'd rather have the ak-47 rather than the m-16 or m-4 cause they are not reliable,but the ak is just as accurate and more reliable than the m-16,well where most of your firefights take place it is just as accurate,not so much at 500 meters but you fight within 120 or so meters and the ak is just as accurate at that range
i agree wholeheartedly about the dubious quality of the m16 rifles that we were issued (shortly after arriving in- country) in vietnam in 1966. i wanted my m14 back immediatly. there was no comparisan between the two weapons.
M-16 has never been built by Mattel. AK-47 is not as accurate as M-16/M-4. M-16 and M-4 when properly maintained absolutely reliable for the first 400 rounds. After that some cleaning may be necessary to keep it fully reliable. AK is more reliable when abused by untrained people.
Of course Remington has no ability to control what people do to its trigger. If you file the sear to lighten its pull, you are responsible for what you do, not Remington.
Even clean, the problems we had with the E1M16's was that it usually quit shooting on the second shot. That is why many Marines with me had their cleaning rods assembled and taped to their forearms. That was so they could knock out each case as they fired. Not the only reason they jammed, but the most prolific reason.
If you ever want to try a truly Xtreme sport, try taking on a NVA company with 45 guys when half the rifles don't work. If it is excitement you crave, that will do it. Trust me. Got the sun visor, tee shirt and sweat shirt on that experience.
I was able to hang on to my M14. Usually at the first magazine change, I would toss my 45 to one of the troops close to me who's weapon had just taken a dump.
Now that's just real life.
Go figure
The only unjwanted discharge of my Remingtons was with the ejector and that was traced tyo improper cfleaning regimen. Thart makes as much sense as waiting for your car failure to stop to chrck the brqakes.
Darwin sa9id it be3sgt "Survival of the fittest".
I got a headache trying to read your post. Or should I say, "1 g0t a h3ad4che t2ying 2 r34d y0ur p0s7!"
And how in the hell does an ejector cause a round to fire?
I have 7 x Remington bolt rifles (models 700, 700 Mtn & 7 versions) and have been hunting with them for 32 years. Haven't had one go off on me accidentally yet.
I have an 870 shotgun, new. So what was the problem with the 870?
I can make ANY weapon fire without the trigger being intentionally pulled. I have owned and used 222, 6mm, and 308 Model 700's with triggers properly adjusted that have NEVER misfired in any way for the past 20 years or so. I learned by earlier experience with my Savage Anschutz 54 Sporter adjusted for target shooting that I took afield with my brothers. As we settled for a rest, I could tell there was some contact with part of my coat sleeve and the area of the trigger guard, but disregarded it. It was a good thing I am a stickler for safe direction of firearm muzzles, because the pressure was enough to fire my weapon. Only result – a lesson learned!
So how many people "with a need to kill" do you plan to murder?
I had a Rem 700BDL fire as I was closing the bolt back in 1980. Guess I should have complained to Remington. It was easy to duplicate and I went to some gun stores that said I was wrong until I proved it in their stores. I sold it and bought a Weatherby Mk V. I've never had a problem with it.
A couple of years ago I looked at a newer version of the 700 and when I asked the question of the dealer he acknowledged the problem I'd had and said it had been fixed. I tried to recreate what had happened previously and couldn't do it.
Net result I probably should have sued Remington.
I dunno. What kind of trigger does it have? I'll take an old-fashioned Mauser action with a 2-stage "military" trigger any day of the week. It has a positive safety that actually locks the cocking piece and can't be defeated. You could throw a Mauser K98k or an M1903 "Springfield" (same action) off a building and the safety would hold. BTW, a variation of the M1903 was used by the US Army sniper in "Private Ryan" and was our most common sniper rifle of the day; well known for safety and reliability. In addition, the 2-stage trigger absorbs a lot of mishandling and provides an additional level of safety; it first appeared as standard on US military rifles in 1896 and provides a mechinism that prevents the sear from releasing when the safety is on, which is a big cause of accidental discharges when placing the safety in the fire position in some weapons. Just because something is "newer" doesn't necessarily mean it's "better."
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OK so I am having a hard time seeing all these people complain about the “unsafe” rifles while being completely misinformed.
You know why the factory decided not to fix it? Because it was not their actions that lead to the problems so the lawyers told them not to. The problem is 95% human error (under trained or under educated people) and the remaining 5% is in the engineering design, but it was addresses with their Quality Control procedures at the factory until the marketing of the Mark x trigger which added one extra mechanism for the safety.
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The new Mark X trigger system incorporates a secondary lever inside the trigger housing that pushes on the trigger forcing it back under the sear whether there is any sprig tension on it or not. This lever has the Overtravel screw built into it and is glued into place. And they are using a thread locker glue that has stronger adhesion properties and is harder to pick out of the screw holes than the glue used in the previous trigger version. (The glue supposedly will melt at 700 degrees at which time the metal being glued has lost all of its temper and is now too soft to perform its intended function) Besides, Remington has been gluing their screws into place since the first incident was brought to their attention with the original.
Therefore: if a consumer scrapes out this glue, and then adjusts his trigger and then has a mishap, there is no way that a factory can be held accountable when they have already adjusted it within safe specs and glued it in place.
Part 5 of 4 (I know it sounds funny)
If you have an older trigger and want a lighter trigger pull you can replace the heavier spring with a lighter spring to let you still have a spring forcing the trigger to return to under the sear while on safe and it will be ok.
I worked for a Remington warranty center, and have been a Certified Gunsmith for 10 years in addition I have been asked to be the expert witness in court cases regarding functionality of firearms vs. human manipulation in negligent discharge cases. I have also built countless rifles on Rem 700 actions using factory and aftermarket triggers. I am not telling people to have a certain opinion on which rifle they prefer. I simply cannot stand to see opinions made on incorrect information.
Most likely the trigger pull has be adjusted to a level where just the mere tough of the weapon will set it off.
Hey…If you have a problem or know of a proplem with the 700 Series, don't fight it, just admit it and fix it, your reputation is sound and intact. Please don't hide if the issue is real, and especially now. All the" do gooders" will climb all over your fine company not so much to fix the problem, but to point fingers at all gun owners as being contemptuous and misguided. In other words restricted gun laws, heavy duty gun licenses, negative gun legistration and more support for anti-gun laws. Why…
You're right, Drew. I've been a gunsmith for 37 years and have done a lot of trigger work on the 700's for both hunters and target shooters and if the let off of the trigger is too light it can go off with the safety off. Most folks don't realize that the amount of metal that holds the trigger sear from firing is only some 1000's of an inch.. less than the thickness of a normal finger nail in facts at the quick. Combine that with light spring tension on the trigger that may well not allow the sear to engage fully again as the trigger fails to return to proper position and you're asking for trouble. One thing I tell my customers I know when doing trigger work is to never have a live round loaded until at station to use it, AND, if the trigger is inadvertently pulled while on safe, open the bolt and close it again to make sure it engages then take it off safe as the sear may have moved far enough to let go when the safety is taken off. I always do a hard thump with a rubber mallet at the rear of the receiver after I do any trigger work to make sure it doesn't fire on it's own when the safety is taken off or the bolt is rammed into battery as fast and hard as possible. Bottom line to safety practices is to perform them accordingly. It's always best to think before you act unless of course lives are in immediate danger. In that case always point the weapon at your threat and don't worry if it goes off without your permission, you can always proclaim it was an accidental firing. Bad trigger, Bad ! Bad ! trigger. <grinning>
I've had my 700 BDL since the early 70's. I luv it and shoot it as often as possible. The only 700 that I have shot that popped early was a Varmint Rifle that had been "TUNED". Didn't fire it but once. If you have a problem with your rifle, take it to a competent gunsmith and let them fix it or replace the trigger mechenism.
As a practacing gunsmith, I have known about this problem. It seems like when you have the safety on and pull the trigger the sear slightly moves. Just enugh to discharge, when you take the safety off. I have replaed many sears with larger size one to overcome that ptoblem. Steve A.
There are two fundamental laws to gun safety;
1. ASSUME EVERY GUN IS LOADED WHEN HANDLED
2. NEVER POINT YOUR GUN AT ANYTHING YOU DO NOT INTEND TO SHOOT.
See Remington's side of the story at http://www.Remington700.tv.
What a slick way to get guns off the street. I wonder which make and model will be next???
You are right on target Drew. I understand that these weapons are modified or tuned at Ft. Benning for the sniper profession and of course they have easy pull or even hair triggers just like the old time gun fighters would file the actions of theirs for an easy pull.
Back in January 2nd 1979, the Product Safety Subcommittee producted a report called "SAFE GUN HANDLING" detailing this problem with the Remington 600 series and 700 series. In 1981, 60 minutes ran a story on the 700 series rifle. There was a lawsuit that was filed and the person didn't settle so he could publish all the files that Remington has sealed. If anyone is interested please email etihwr2@gmail.com and I'll provide you with a copy of the PDF file.
Never point your weapon at anything that you are not willing to destroy. This is especially true for one that has malfunctioned, or is known to mfnkjam. Why are we still using a weapon from the last millennium anyway.
There will always be a need to kill. Survival, Self Defense, and providing food. Food does not get magically produced by Grocery markets.
Gang Members Kill, Hunters Harvest and the Military Protects your Dumb Ass.
which is why the us military & marine corps has been purchasing the trigger mechanisms from kimber rifles for over 20 years
Right on Drew, I have two Model 700's. Both in the 60's era, one being an ADL and the other a BDL. I didn't like the trigger pul on the ADL model(.243), and readjusted it to a fine pull for long range varmint shooting. I was using it one day and as I closed the bolt, it fired. Needless to say I adjusted it to fine so I emptied it and did not use it until I could reset the trigger pull back to a safe pull. Have not had a problem since.
Gotta admit I like Remington and they do bring home the bacon however my 8MM Rem. Mag also AD'd one morning real early. Oh dark thirty rammin' the bolt home and BANG I sent every critter inside the county running for cover and that included me! Good thing the muzzle was aimed down range, so to speak. Some folks might have sold there weapon after that but I just went and bought another Remington .270. Next time it AD's the report won't be so loud.
I have owned a Remington model 700 cal. 30-06 since 1966. My first hunt with it was in northern Maine, very cold and snowy, rifle got wet, had ice on it, and didn't get a good cleaning for a full week, still no problem. The face of the trigger is grooved, however, I have never had this weapon fire without pulling the trigger. I have used military 152 grain ball and tracer ammo, Remington ammo, and Winchester ammo from 150 grain to 220 grain and never had a problem. The weapon has been dropped a number of times, fortunally, not loaded at the same time (young son learning). I love this rifle, and will not give it up, it is being willed to my Son.
I have owned and shot several remingtons and out of personal asthetic reasons do not currently or intend to own another. Savage, Winchester,Browning and several other U.S. manufacturers build and sell hundreds if not thousands of Firearms that do not now and never have had this issue – all available at competitive prices.__ This list does not consider many fine European mfg. ( sig, Styer, CZ, sako etc.) If they want to spend money testing, how about an "out of the box" shoot off?
Give me a break! The current administration wants the country to build nothing but batteries and solar panels. We have already chased too many jobs out of the country. If there is a problem then they should be made to fix it. This Expose crap is all just political pandering to anti gun groups.
Oh, and my safety is an index finger that is hard wired to my brain. The weapon is not locked and cocked till I need to start shooting.
When I was a kid, I has a Winchester, Bolt action 22lr that wouls fire if you pushed the safety forward after putting it on safe. It was a great rifle with that one exception.
uncle sam awarded 28 million contract to remington,with Walker trigger,only because it can't be adjusted in the field by any soldier. Didn't care if there was other known problems I guess.oh, thats 7,833 dollars per rifle x 3,600 rifles. senator from new york, got the contract for remington's factory in ilbiny ,new york
i live in washington state my m700 had this problem about 15 years ago i sent it to rem and they fixed it and have no problems since
My New Remington 870 Express 12 Gauge ( Purchased in late the Early '90's) would Jam due to the Spring being too stiff. It would try to feed 2 shells at once. I took it to my gunsmith, who removed an inch of spring and it worked Flawlessly ever since. I believe these problems with the 700 Model Rifles is due to people messing with the Trigger. I haven't heard of an "out of the Box "Rifle fire on its own. Remington makes damn Fine weapons and is my Personal favorite for Hunting. Of course my Colt HBAR AR-15 (5.56 NATO) is my Prize weapon and believe it shoots better than the one issued to me in the USMC. If you have a weapon firing without pulling the trigger and you didn't mess with it, Then I would send it back to Remington. I don't think these are firing on their own without being Altered by someone who thinks they know how to adjust a trigger that isn't meant to be adjustable. Always be careful where you point the barrel with Ammunition in the Weapon Regardless. Liberals (Democrats) aren't the boogie Man and they don't want to take your Guns. It's a Tired argument used by Conservatives to scare the Voters into voting for them. President Obama allowed weapons in National Parks, NOT G.W. Bush. Semper Fi.
This issue reared it's head many years ago. Some production models were defective and were recalled and their trigger mechanisms replaced. The line has been fine for 20 odd years now. The problem exists only when someone who THINKS they're a gunsmith starts making adjustments to the factory trigger and/or doesn't properly seal/glue the set screws back in place. I have 2 that I have personally modified (against manufacturer advice). As with any mass produced metal part, often times burrs and tool marks are present. I lightly polished my trigger groups and adjusted the pressure/creep/sear settings. I have been trained to do so, most have not. This issue is why new rifles have such stiff triggers. The new X-Mark triggers are comming out without adjustments to prevent users from changing factory settings.
Liberal just have an axe to grind against gun owners and their time is almost up in Washington and soon they will have to pack and moved out to the street and America will rejoice and not become a socialist country or like the sand dwellers.
"My name is Laura and I digital work for Remington. If you're looking for a credible source, check out Remington's response to the biased CBS program: http://www.remington700.tv"
Laura – With all due respect, I have reviewed (with my own eyes) both sides of the issue. First off, I would like to point out, watching the original documentary several times, & several more times after watching Remington 700 tv. I would like to point something out to you in case you missed it yourself… the individual, MR. Cohen in fact does NOT have his finger on the trigger, but instead on the front of the trigger guard – note the straight extension of the trigger finger. I observed it much clearer in the documentary after review of your handy work. With all the resources at your disposal, I would surely think you could have produced a clearer – finer image of the offending act instead of the blurry image which only suggests he had his finger on the trigger as Remington claims. After 10 months of investigation to learn, among other things the end result of the "trick condition" – pulling the trigger with the rifle in the on safe position, could potentially result in an inadvertent discharge, or what Remington terms an "FSR" (fire on safety release). Let me raise this question, do you know where the second & third commandment originated – 2nd "Never trust a safety, a mechanical device which can fail", or 3rd "Never touch the trigger while the safety in in the on safe position, or between safe & fire"? I will give you one guess….
To those that think the fellow “Cohn” doesn’t have his finger on the trigger, can see in the video that the end of his finger shown is just below the bolt handle, and if his finger had been on the front bow of the trigger guard, the tip of his finger would have been well over an inch past the bolt handle.
With all due respect- my eye.
If you think you see a straight extension of his finger, he only has one to the second joint. NO DOUBT he is touching the trigger. His finger is CURVED in the video I see.
Does anyone think that his finger is over an inch past the bolt handle end? Thought not.
Funny how no one is making a post for this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YFIwoZsWHk&fe…!
I actually had a 700 mis-fire occur while siting the rifle on a hunt in the Arctic of Alaska. It fired when the bolt was closed. Fortunately, it happened in a very controlled situation and with careful handling. I took it to a gunsmith, and they could find no problem with it. I now see what is going on, and will retire the rifle.
never owned a 700, so i dont have any experience. i just saw the program though & mike walker acknowledged the drawback in the design. thats good enough for me. he designed it ! and the fix for it too. i also know that here in OK the weather & conditions can be such that just taking the gun out of the case & walking to the hunt area can expose the rifle to dust & dirt. if it is that sensitive, i dont want one.
Eay fix. Put a $125 Timney Trigger in and you can pull the bolt back on safe and the trigger and firing pin will be blocked while on safe. A great trigger with a 3lb. pull. Byron Nix
People, you really are mad! Listen to ALL the reports. I have been fixing firearms for 24 years, both military and civilian, as well as my apprenticeship in UK I hold several factory certifications, and have been a heavy user of firearms in combat roles. In all my time I have given one individual the benefit of the doubt with a NEGLIGANT DISCHARGE, theres no such thing as an accidental in my mind! If you maintain your equipment as per the factory guidelines you will have no problems. The ONLY consideration I think is being missed on the public record of the 700 issues, is if the user is using a solvent cleaner after firing, and does not use a bore guide, the solvent MAY work its way to the trigger group, and disolve the epoxy glue holding the set screws on the trigger, which over time may owrk loose and out of adjustment. But do you understand how unlikely this is?? I firmly believe the Remmington 700 to be one of, if not the, best out of the box rifles on the market. I own one, and would take it into a combat role tommorow.
Seriously look at all the facts before condeming the equipment. That being said if you want to retire your 700′s I will take them off your hands anyday! LOL