Our sister site Defense Tech forwarded an interesting post over to us that shows some kitted out Chinese sea raiders prepping for a mission.
In one of the first international defense deployments undertaken by the modern Chinese government, the People’s Liberation Army Navy is deploying sailors for visit, board, search and seizure missions in the Gulf of Aden to help secure civilian shipping in those pirate infested waters.
The China Defense Blog rightly notes that if you take a close look at the pics, you’ll see that some of the troops have attached vertical fore grips to their Type 95 carbines. As the CDB speculates — and we agree — this shows some loosening of regs and greater flexibility of customization by the operator.
We’re also intrigued by the double flashlight attachments. Could this be an IR beam and a white light combo?
To us this shows a degree of professionalism not usually seen in such a large, conscript army governed by totalitarian leaders — and even such a small thing should inform military planners who look at China’s future threat…or cooperation.
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compensating for small pee-pees… air-soft wannabees.
I agree with you man!
Also why are they pointing their weapons at each other? It looks like they have mags in to, i dont know what the Chinese train their troops but that is no bueno.
I don't think that they are pointing their weapons at each other, it's just a perspective thing combined with depth of field. In other words, it's just an optical illusion created by the camera.
I bet you most of those boots are size 6 1/2 in men's size!!! LOL. Crazy Chinese.
It's very telling your first response if phallic. Somebody's got issues.
i like that camo. It's better than those god-awful NWUs
But at least the NWU actually serve a purpose and aren't intended as a field/combat uniform which the Chinese camo apparently is. NWUs were designed to hide dirt & grease, not the wearer, what are these supposed to do?
The only good Chinese weapon is the amount of people they have.
give credit where credit is due; have you fired a Type 95?
Likewise there is a lot of garbage US-made weapons on the market as well,
You sir are wrong. If you take any US military standard issue, I guarantee you it will beat any of Chinas air-soft weapons.
…and I wouid appreciate citations or atleast factual claims as to why you would make that guarantee. I would tend to believe that US standard issue is better than PLA standard issue, but I have not fired any PLA weaponry, and neiither have many people.
I'm curious about the weaponry, not some nationalistic pissing contest.
This, presumably, from somebody who probably gives a good assessment on U.S. performance against a few thousand camel jockeys.
Can you imagine going into battle with a rifle that says made in China on it?
You have a point.
Uh – ever seen how many tens of thousands of Chinese-made AKs are out there in the hands of insurgents killing people? get real.
AKs are almighty and don't count…..
AK's are a POS and the world knows it. The only reason they dont jam like the M-16 (and so on) is bc it is a loosly made gun without any precision involved.
There is a reason they've stuck to using IEDs and the sort.
I place my faith in the weapons we have.
I can hit 4inch targets with open sites at 300m with my Romanian AK no problem. Is it as pinpoint accurate as my hunting weapons? No not even close, but it will kill a dude a normal assault rifle engagement ranges without an issue and is far more reliable than my M16a2.
Romanian AK's are different from the Chinese type 56, which are reliable; but they have a serious problem with accuracy. That is not including the very poor quality of Chinese Ammunition. It is reliable, in that it will fire , but accuracy suffers greatly. The subject in question is the country of origin; not design.
What's wrong with Made-In-China label on a rifle? The Talibans have made-in-China rifles and are, gasp, winning!
Now now, the Taliban aren't winning by default. They just have homefield advantage. The fact that they look like the good guys standing next to them (ANA) doesn't exactly help our boys know who to shoot. we stick out over there, despite cammies.
"Now now, the Taliban aren't winning by default. They just have homefield advantage."
Riiiight…
"some of the troops have attached vertical fore grips….We’re also intrigued by the double flashlight attachments. Could this be an IR beam and a white light combo?"
"To us this shows a degree of professionalism not usually seen in such a large, conscript army"
Common in Airsoft and for ARFCOM keyboard warriors but impressive for a national Army? I….uh….nevermind….sheesh.
http://www.mindgame-productions.com that's where this photo originates
Anyone know anything about the cammo? The guy in front looks to be wearing US woodlands (pre-digital) and I don’t know where the blue/white cammo would work unless it is on an iceberg (and a small one at that to have the water reflected up through it). What a hodge podge of load bearing equipment. You would think they were responsible for buy their own. Olive Drab, black, neither color really working with a light blue suits and black rifles.
I would assume the uniforms are primarily to identify who is hostile / friendly. As for camo, many ships have white and/or grey paint. It is probably more effective than it would seem. The black and woodlandesque gear would be less effective for shipboard ops.
That being said the guy with the drop leg holster has much more kit than anyone else in the picture. I doubt his loadout is indicative of the rest of his unit.
Lastly I don't think even the Chinese believe these guys are top notch. They are obviously working on getting there though and investing in equipment and training as well as attempting to get some practical experience dealing with the Somali pirates.
it's like that DragonBallZ movie.
You know it's a sad day for your military when your Marine equivalents are compared to guys out of an stupid martial arts anime cartoon…..
"governed by totalitarian leaders"?… This isnt the dprk!
No, but the leadership hasn't changed much; they just got more pragmatic…..
Their camo makes UCP look professional and commanding, and they look like posed action figures……
Do not under estimate your enemy!! I guess you boys haven't learned that yet. some of you are just GD FOOLS!!!!!!
And you are?…..
Hi Ron, welcome to the internet.
most of them can't get laid, so they go to airsoft live action role plays and after to asian massage parlours. pay it to get it, i guess. losers. made in china.
Dude, look at yourself: you are from ALABAMA!
I actually agree with stillwell. Never underestimate your adversary. Although enemy may be a bit strong of a description at this stage.
We are teaching them about manufacturing. They steal any secrets left on a computer they can get their hands on. And I believe they have something like 3 mil males turn 18 every year.
Their ambitions and internal need for growth and natural resources are an ever increasing outward pressure.
As this is the first time they've actually projected power beyond their borders, it;s worth paying close attention to.
Yup, there is a reason why companies have to move their R&D there and production if they want a large slice of the China pie. It's so after hours they can go in, steal your tech and replicate it for lower cost and call it a "global market".
Truer words my friend!
Chef Bo
I'd say they're regulations are still being pulled back by propaganda…
just paraphrasing some stuff i remember being debated online:
"why don't they have body armor?"
response by chinese "body armor slows the soldier down and is useless"
months later, china issues body armor: "our body armor is superior to the US interceptor Body armor"
Chinese: "We have designed a round (5.8×42mm) that is ballistically superior to the 5.56x45mm and 5.45x39mm"
response: "Oh yeah? why is it still being issued in lacquered steel casings? the ballistic testings show that it lacks cavitation, and is solely reliant on penetration"
Chinese: "what do you think the modern military is equipped with? The US is off battling unarmored terrorists but this round is in preparation for real, global conflicts.
IMO this idea that china's tech is the best, no one can ever be better has got to stop, we don't even do that, otherwise Aimpoints, Frag-12s, FN firearms, Sigs, etc would never make our military great
But I use Federal Ammo in my Sig!
"some of the troops have attached vertical fore grips….We're also intrigued by the double flashlight attachments. Could this be an IR beam and a white light combo? To us this shows a degree of professionalism not usually seen in such a large, conscript army."
For the record, I was making fun of the article, not the troops in the picture.
it is really interesting to see the current set of technical and tactical developments taking place in china of late, they are not resting on any legacies and seem to be pushing forward with a real momentum. for me as an Australian this can be a little scary, but at this point they still seem to be a long way from being able to to bring any considerable pressure to bear. Every advancement the west makes, china pays attention too and notes it diligently, they have the manpower and funding to strive toward a goal, even if they lack some technical expertise it is only a matter of time before they catch up.
China is a very serious threat to the Western world. We as Americans have made China a powerful military world leader by our own mistakes made by businessmen and political leaders. Greed, ignorance and liberalism from Americans have done this. People can make fun of China all they want, but remember how they fought in Korea. Massive waves of soldiers that kept coming and coming. A huge army with leaders willing to send them to die and modern military tech sold to them by the USA during the Clinton era….Their military will soon surpass ours in no time flat, if it hasn't already. Building stealth aircraft, tanks, aircraft carriers and modernizing there army, navy and air force… Go ahead and keep making fun of "Made in CHINA" junk….It should read…Sold by the USA, Made in China to kill the USA….I don't know about you guys, but I fear China more now then I ever feared the Soviets….is it propaganda? I don't think so…. I don't see too many Chinese Americans joining the US military…I don't recall any Chinese Americans while I was in the service…and before anyone calls me a racist, I do know the difference between Asians and the counties that they come from.
whatever, chinadoll.
LOL, yeah the counties, you hill-billy!
A lot of my close friends joined the USMC, all Chinese Americans (in fact, one of them was the marine that put the US flag covering Saddam's face [statue] during the beginning of the invasion of Iraq). The reason you don't see a lot of them joining the service is because its viewed as being an unrespectable job in China.
In terms of social hierarchy, the soldier is traditionally ranked below the farmer (i.e. if you couldnt do anything else with your life, you were in the military)
Whenever gossip comes up about a parent's kid, and people say that they joined the military, the response is still the same (something along the lines of "oh, so he fucked up in life and is trying to fix it now")
I'd agree with you that China is still a formidable fighting force. Especially if you take into account they pushed us back with bolt action rifles and flags back in the Korean war. Now they all have automatic rifles, and are better trained (as much as people laugh at this statement, if the smalles target a chinese soldier can hit is a car at 50m, think about a horizon in a wave attack sending all this lead downrange.)
HOWEVER, what I'm more afraid of in life is China asking for their money back, they don't really have much to gain from attacking the US
You do not recall Chinese American in the service doe not mean anything. I am Chinese American and have served three years from 66-69 with half of my time in Vietnam. Many Chinese American that I knew served honorably as well.
To put China in the proper perspective, China is not the same as the one we knew 30 years ago in spite of all the ignorance hypes going on this blog.
I can't understand why we as a nation always have to create adversaries and to justify our military actions and spending billions on arms instead of putting money on education and infrastrures.
Yes, I'm sure that if we bent over backwards to make the rest of the world happy we would have no enemies and we could disband our military…..
because you haven't been paying attention too closely. I mean, at every arms show they have highlights of their weapons systems attacking carrier groups, have invaded and subjucated tibet, have stated their goal in the next 50yrs is to reoccupy taiwan by whaterver means necessary and are now trying to use military force to grab parts of the south china sea. the list goes on and on with them….
we need to stop buying from them, push production to sa or africa and break them now
Could it because the Chinese make up a very small percentage of the population? They might also be relatively more affluent so their kids have more options in terms of finding college money?
Hey guys, I'm pretty sure that those carbines CAN kill any American just as well as an Ak-47. If the weapon is half-way decent and the person behind it trained/skilled or lucky, you're in trouble.
Yeah China is known for making cheap knock-offs from the USA, but they still can pack a punch.
P.s. There are several chinese airsoft companies that produce better airsoft guns than many US countries.
Really? Airsoft you say? Well that just changes everything.
Dude, that was for the airsoft jokers up top.
most pocket pussi*s are made in china, they suit me just find in A-stan.
what, exactly, is a US country? are there several? hmm
Seriously people? There are Chinese Americans in the military as well.
Getting aside the fact that China is, and it will be a threat to the US global military dominance, perhaps for decades to come. The fact that our armed forces are been set to deal with this threat as soon as we are done in Afghanistan. And that you can say what ever you want about how crappy a Chinese soldier is compared to an American soldier, even though we have been fighting guys the Middle East who fight us in sandals, while holding a cigar in their mouth and an AK on their hand for over a decade, and they don't seem to want to surrender. Getting all of that aside…
I am truly surprised that the very first comment on this post was so damn racist and ignorant. And that there were even more comments like it after that. I guess Kit-Up! has their reasons why not to censor this posts. Perhaps not to infringe on anyone's freedom of speech. But it still surprises me when I see it. I guess I am still young…
Getting back on topic. I still believe the US has the mightiest military in the world. And you don't get so damn powerful by under estimating your adversaries. And China, just as much as they have been trying to keep up with us, we have been trying to leap ahead of them. Only time will tell whether or not this will turn in to another cold war. But even then, I am optimistic, since we have a proven track record winning those kinds of war as well.
Remember Stalin's words as the eventually crushed the the Nazis. The Nazi forces were much better trained and and at the beginning of the war were light years ahead from a technology standpoint:
"Quantity has a quality all of its own."
stalin almost surrendered too when the nazis were 18 kilometers from moscow. he was talked out of it
Bullshit… Stalin never ever even contemplated surrendering. He forced his entire leadership to stay in Moscow and went ahead with the annual military parade. Say whatever you must about Stalin, but one thing he is not is a wuss.
Wow I clicked into this thread to see the discussion about the actual photo and what could be gleaned from it etc and instead I read about small dicks, how small the Chinese are, airsoft, dragonball Z and hookers….
Any how I agree that this indicates a loosening of the restrictions on their SOF/NSW guys and their kit plus that black body armour is the brand new Clear duty brand VBSS.
PS here's another clearer pic of the setup of their weapons.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NG1WLn_7fMc/ThNl6qRA59I…
While people sit back all smug making racist comments about the Chinese (and Chinese-Americans), the Chinese are busy buying up loads of influence in Africa and South-East Asia by offering loans, development aid, engineering and technical expertise at bargain-basement prices (and they only have to point to themselves as the greatest success story to sell themselves). In return, they're going to get their hands on oil, mineral and other natural resources that the West is going to be after as well (what do you think is going on in Nigeria and South Sudan?). That's why the Chinese Navy is now off the Horn of Africa. Laugh now – cry later.
whatever you say, chang…
Quit making the USMC look bad. Shut up and go talk to a Korean War vet about how easy it is to defeat the Chinese.
I agree with your statement with the exception of garnering influence in South East Asia. They're actually stepping on a lot of toes by claiming sovereignty over islands in the South China Sea that over a half a dozen other countries also claim sovereignty over. other South Eastern Asian countries dont like them.
Ooops – I actually meant to say South-West Asia, and should have included the Middle East as well..
Lol on small pee-pee comment. Classic. I hate China, ergo I hate _________________ .
Yeah, so Michael Yon is reporting right now on how deadly a plastic bottle with copper wire in it can be for GI's but at the same time a bunch of ignorant net heroes are bashing low grade chinese tech on kit up. If a plastic bottle can thwart the technology of a fully armored MRAP then I hesitate to think what thousands of better than average chinese soldiers will do with their kinda okay rifles. The dragon is not sleeping anymore. It is waiting.
ok, chang, preach on airsoft commando.
Quit making the USMC look bad. Shut up and go talk to a Korean War vet about how easy it is to defeat the Chinese.
So one minute we are the world mightiest military, the next minute we're being owned by plastic bottles and should be cowering in fear of the rising Chinese dragon that does a worse job on camo than we do; something's not adding up…..
It's not adding up because you're not concentrating. Underestimating the enemy gets you killed. My point was that advanced technology like metal detectors and armored vehicles become liabilties themselves when the detector can't find the low metal trigger of an IED that wouldn't be there in the first place were it not for the fancy armored humvee scooting about like it owns Afghanistan. The US army has such a tech hard-on that it's only realising now what the average GI's gear weight is doing to his joints. Plus, the search for this months most fashionable camo is a laughing stock. Half the world had a little wet sh*t when the Chinese announced a missile that can sink carriers and their military, although under trained, remains one of the largest in the world. Maybe jarheads like 0311 should stop spending al their damn time at cracker barrel and start reading intel reports by analysts.
Will China win a war against the US if conflict between the nations ever arises? Who can tell. In the meantime, grunts need to stop pretending like China isn't a global power and start acting like professional soldiers. Right now they're acting like they can't get shot by Type 95's.
Not really BIG news the Type 95 like the older 56 can have new after market items added goto Cannada you can get said things for Civi Type 97s. As per China no fear they got infulence in Africa but not really in anywhere else. Chinese Navy in fact has supported US anti pirate ops in Africa.
I'm a 97E specializing in China, and I can tell you they all pay for sex and are incapable of pleasing western women, as well as their own.
The one guy just to the right of the first blue/white one has terrible foot placement for a shooting stance. Why is the guy in pregnant female BDU's even there? He looks shopped in. Looks like he's got a red dot on his weapon and an empty holster.
argh…. the s/n ratio in hear is horrible…..unsubscribed.
I'm more concerned about another Carrington Event, than I am of these penile challenged new contenders of ours.
VERY TRUE! LOL.
So many dumbass comments, Jesus Christ…
Geez, the level of intelligence within the Kit Up readership has dropped dramatically. It is no wonder Americans aren’t taken seriously anymore – on the world stage… and the internet to boot. If the only thing you can do is espout your flagrant xenophobia on the internet and make inane commentary about penile size then I would surmise that those in question are neither honorable members (purported) of our military, nor can they be viewed as adults for that matter either. Grow up.
Well, could be worse, could have been something about the french, and, then… the comments would have been even worse (though AFAIK, the Penile Size™ diss still hasn't been added to the french bashers' arsenal of, ahem, "witticisms").
Still, you are right, it seems like the "Red meat" part of the US www, and especially the "gear-oriented" .mil sub-section, is ripe with what you describe… chest-thumping, ego-stroking xenophobia, "America F9ck Yeah", etc, etc, really not that unlike your average jerkass youtube comments. Disheartening. And you can't even cuss, so it's hypocritical on top of being moronic.
As for the chinese, the whole "army vs army" issue notwisthstanding (China certainly doesn't aim at playing the US game, anyway), when it comes to the "fighting chinaman", please, remember that during the Korea war, a more numerous, but vastly under-equipped chinese force initially *overran* and pushed back the US, and then fought it to a standstill, through better fieldcraft, better mobility (on foot, often), and sheer aggressiveness.
China is not ten feet tall, BUT, as you wrote, "grow up", we all live in the real world, not in some comics books universe. The little yellow men should not be underestimated, no more than the little brown men, or any other men, actually, small or big.
@Kit up! Please moderate racism out of your comments! I read for the gear, not for the ridiculous ignorance of childish posts.
read: airsoft commando, most likely of chinese extraction.
"Airsoft Commando" doesn't bother me. It describes someone who's perceived expertise on weapons and tactics comes from playing Airsoft, and not from any actual training, experience, or education. To be honest, all of the Airsoft players I've met are all white guys.
It's that one dumb Marine who's making the entire USMC Look bad with "Chang" comments that makes me sad. He makes the whole team look bad.
Agreed….no need for this shit.
The article is wrong. China's armed forces are all volunteer. Although their laws provide for conscription, it has never been enforced. They have enough volunteers and they're every bit as professional as the US armed forces.
Incorrect: selective national mandatory service (basically a draft), with officers being all volunteer. That's because they just can't possibly conscript everyone. Man power fit for military service right now exceeds 300 million males and more than 300 million females. About 10 million people turn the age limit to serve, annually.
Also, women are allowed combat roles.
So blacks have big chiminchangas, but chinese men have small ones? Any scientific evidence?
Actually the comment was childish, racist and irrelevant, as were many others and doesn't warrant any further consideration.
This blog should have a filter function that doesn't show comments voted down or not voted above a certain threshold.
While I don't view the Chinese as allies I certainly think the underlying racism in some of the comments is insulting to everyone and unjustified.
You're the "scientific evidence", Xin. You and Mr. Sulu from Star Trek.
I am have the internetz, no need brain.
I’LL TAKE A GOOD OLD M-14 ANY DAY-NO JAMING-DEADLY ACURATE–SOLID–BEN HET-70
Did your caps lock key jam?
Why is it that ANY topic regarding ANYTHING weapons related, you get these swarms of M14 fanatics??
Because the Vietnam vets who hated the AR glorified it to no end so now everyone who will never touch a SCAR thinks its Godsend…..
M14 used to be called gook killer.
the Brazilians, now those are real contenders. Russians and Indians too. Can you imagine honey trap operations from these nations. I mean Katrina Leung was butt ugly and that was the best China had to offer.
Brian Kelly, CI God, would've b!tch slapped that ho before she could even give a come hither look. B!tch Fugly, yo!
Google and type: "To Catch a Spy", "Brian Kelley", "60 Minutes"… I just did and this guy is awesome!
The only Chinamen I have met in the military were in the Air Force or in Admin. Not really the fighting types. And the only beautiful Chinese women I have met were those mixed by latin blood or White. Nuf said. These are observations not racism, there's a difference, you PC hom0s!
I CONCUR W/ THIS STATEMENT.
i just googled katrina leung, yah, she might be beautiful–in a bizarroo world!!! lol.
Hellz yeah, they ugly, yo!!!
"To us this shows a degree of professionalism not usually seen in such a large, conscript army"
Of course they are pointing their weapons at each other.
They aren't pointing their weapons at each other, it's just an optical illusion created by the camera's depth of field. You have to remember that a camera sees things differently than we do which is why you can do simple depth of field tricks like making yourself look like you're holding up the Leaning Tower of Pisa or how they made regular people appear to be 3' – 4' tall hobbits in the Lord of the Rings movies. Same thing is going on here.
d-ass, look at the line on the floor and follow it to the other side, they are pointing at each other.
Now it seems too many people of low intelligence that are able to voice there mindless opinions on this site. Kit up used to a have a very professional feel, and the comments were never too far off from the topic. There are too many Armchair generals, airsofters, kids, inbred morons and people who have no experience in the subject matter at hand that voicing their opinions. If you don't have anything relevant to add to the discussion of the article, Please keep you f*ucking mouths shut…Foreign Affairs and Politics should not be coming up in article about some China-men with modified Type-95s gearing up for a training mission and or raid…
It's a free country.
"Now it seems too many people of low intelligence that are able to voice there mindless opinions on this site."
But that's what dumb people do… they talk about what they don't know, and the sad thing is that they don't know what they don't know… Kind of a like a Rumsfeldian unknown unknowns… Sigh… this country is full of idiots these days. I thought the 80's was bad.
I think my airsoft AEG M4 is better than those popguns, and it probably has a higher FPS to boot!
Kitup should seriously close the comments for this post. Almost nothing being written here is relevant, just a bunch of elite internet armchair commandos who get a hardon bashing China and posting blatant racism.
I'd bet even a starving Nork conscript could beat the shit out of these fat little kids running their mouths on here.
And no, I am not Asian.
Chinese more like it.
Are you an expert, and if you aren't any more of an expert than us "fat little kids", then why should we listen to you?…..
What in my post is expertise required on? I'm not commenting on the quality of the PLA gear or the training or whatever. And yes, odds are people who go online and post crap like "hurrr dem chinaman got small ding dongs" are probably not world class intellectuals.
And honestly, I don't care if you or your fellow internet warriors "listen" to me.
Then what are you in a tizzy about? If you don't like what you are hearing, then don't listen. If you don't think we will listen to you, then why are you bothering? I'm just curious; besides, I don't make comments about the Chinese soldiers anatomy, I just don't think much of their military training…….
Anatomy size is very important to pleasing women, this may explain why in the future the Chinese will subjugate everyone base on this penis-envy syndrome.
1. Then my comment wasn't directed at you.
2. Venting. Seeing so much stupidity, it felt good to call it out.
One word, Huawei–the Chinese are already in your pockets, listening.
I have a COEXIST bumper sticker on my hybrid car, I recycle and I buy only organic foods. I love all people and I love the world. I am against Climate Change.
And I am against all these racist comments. "I have a dream…"
woodland camo guy in front looks like a typical gay chinese male you'd find seated on some old white guy's lap in san fran's castro district.
I'm assuming you know this because you're the old white guy? Get a life.
It's amusing to read these down right dumb, racist and childish comments against China.
As an American I have no love for China and view her as possible enemy in the future. But I am well aware that as of this minute, China has already demonstrated her ballistic missile system able to shoot down satellites in low earth orbit. She has fielded three manned low earth orbit mission where her astronauts did EVA (Extra Vehicular Activity). That makes her number three in the world behind the US and Russia with such capability.
This site obviously is frequented by a good number of uneducated morons and armchair warriors.
The problem with any topic relating China's military/economic/scientific strength is that there seems to be two groups of extremes: Some people exagerrate China's power, making it seem like they are on the verge of being able to march into DC unopposed. then there is the crowd that totally dismisses anything Chinese as cheap, worthless, etc etc.
Why is everything simular to ours? They copy everything…
You mean the bullpup rifles and bright blue DPM's?……
In WW11 we out produced everyone. Now all of our machinery, and jobs have been sent overseas. Try to find something for sale that is not made in China. A great deal of our military items are made in China. I don't fear China for their fighting force, but rather for their production capabilities. The forth world war will be fought with rocks.
It'll be fought w/ rocks if people never learn to spell "Fourth" 4th–or just use IV if you can't spell "fourth".
Go forth on the fourth.
I guess all of the men and women killed by chinese made weapos would agree that they aren't worth a damn.
They aren't worth squat if you are better trained and equipped; 3 on 1, our riflemen could probably kick theirs to kingdom come….
Amazing how many REALLY stupid comments there are here. One can only hope the comments are being made by 14-16 year olds & NOT by Americans of voting age.
You are such an optimist. The dumb comments are likely to have been made by people in their 20s' or 30s', maybe even 40s'. We've turned into a nation of infantile dimwits and parochial oafs, which is what the Chinese call a competitive advantage. The next decades are gonna be interesting.
You can laugh at the possibility of using a rifle "made in China" but there are those of us that remember surrendering our M-14's for the Army's "Matty Mattel" M-16's before they were even fully tested. Some of the "Made in China" AK-47's we took outof the mud outside of Khe Sanh still functioned without cleaning. They myth about the "superiority of firepower" died with the Army's "recon by fire" methods and the wasteful techniques that they generated. Ain't about the weapon but the guy behind it. That's why Marines have always have always risen to the challenge and overcome deficits…
Ok; no hard feelings…..