With the US Army fielding an Urgent Needs Statement, a contract has already been signed for 126 additional Carl Gustaf weapons systems manufactured by Saab of Sweden. The 84mm Recoiless Rifle replaced the obsolete, but functional, 90mm recoiless rifle in Ranger Battalion years ago where I started my Special Operations career. My first duty position: Tank Sniper.
Admittedly, the M3 Carl Gustaf isn’t the sexiest of weapons among the 75th Ranger Regiment’s rather extensive arsenal. This is especially true when you have to pack this giant metal tube into an AT4 jump pack with cardboard honeycomb and exit a C-17 during a Mass-Tactical airborne jump at night. Getting hung up in a MH-60 with the Goose slung over your back while fast roping and dangling 50ft in the air ain’t sexy either. Don’t ask me how I know that…
Otherwise, I think the Goose is way under-rated. With the Australian military also making a large purchase of ammunition for these weapons, it seems that the Goose is finally coming into its own.
More and more reports are coming out telling us that the Taliban in Afghanistan has finally figured out the limited range of American rifles and other small arms. Acting accordingly, we are told that they are maintaining as much stand off as possible when engaging US forces, remaining just outside the maximum effective range of our soldier’s ammunition while firing at them with heavy machine guns and RPGs. The Carl Gustaf has the potential to change that when employed properly. “Existing systems…such as the M141 Bunker Defeat Munition, M72 LAW, M136 AT-4 and the SMAW, are only effective inside of 500 meters. The Army says the Carl-Gustaf [max effective range 1,000m] is more effective than waiting on mortars and less expensive than artillery or Javelin missiles.”
Here is a bit from one of my Army buddies who used the Goose to do God’s work during the height of the Iraqi insurgency:
“It was mostly on my last deployment, which was in the Samara providence and we were doing a call out.” They would “have a terp tell everyone in the house to come out, and if they didn’t, then they were assumed to be hostile. So it would start with a long talk then a nine banger, then a frag to the side of the house, followed by more talking, then a few 203s on the side of the house, then some more talking, then finally we said, okay we are going to kill everyone in the house in a few minutes.” This is called escalation of force, if the terrorists don’t surrender themselves then we escalate the level of violence until they comply. “So here comes the goose. First we started with an HEDP round into windows or through doors (the goose is an amazingly accurate weapon, I had no problem putting a round through a window at 600 meters) but later we decided we wanted to use TP rounds (which are basically just 84 mm rounds with cement inside) to knock the doors off, then hit up the house with thermobarics. On these occasions, which were several, the damage was large enough to not follow up on the house for any Bomb Damage Assessment or anything of the sort. We would just leave and assume whatever little punks were in the house were all dead. I would say I’ve shot somewhere around 500 rounds out of the goose from TP, HE, HEDP, HEAT, smoke, flechette, thermobaric and all are extremely accurate and serve their purpose. Flechette is by far the most interesting, as it shoots out little nails and is strictly anti-personnel but will jack your world up.”
Hey Uncle Sugar, while you’re at it, the M2 scope is great and all, but how about taking a look at the Aimpoint FCS12 Fire Control System to help take some of the guess work out of calculating for ballistics during a fire fight! Check it out and get smart on the Goose and it’s ammunition!
Kit Up! contributor Jack Murphy is a former Ranger, Special Forces Soldier and is the author of the military thriller Reflexive Fire.








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Peace through superior firepower
Speak softly and carry a big stick
The Good, The Bad I’m the guy with the gun
Throw in whatever other movie quote that you feel fits but you know your day just got awesome when you use a rocket launcher.
GO ARMY BEAT NAVY!!
Not this year, can’t stay onsides.
Were I physically able, I’d go in to be a tank sniper. Heck, what better job is there than one that pays you to blow *** up?
Is it wrong that I get excited thinking about shooting Flechette rounds from a Gustaf?? Great description from your buddy….don’t worry about stacking up on the door, just blow the house up!
my unit just got gustafs down range. from what i’ve heard they’ve already stopped a few enemy attacks before they even started. . . a little ****** that I got hurt and had to come home early, would love to see one of these in action
I’ve spend some time with Carl….Bada** system for sure. I think you’re only supposed to fire four rounds max before you risk chest cavity injury! Carl will get the party started/ended in a hurry that’s for sure.
You have to refrence the Blast Over Pressure chart. I think it’s like only 2 flare rounds (have to be fired standing up to be effective) or like 6 HE/HEDP.
In the Swedish army we say 6 full rounds/24h. Love the Carl Gustaf, we call it the “stovepipe” and while heavy it’s a decent piece of kit. ^^
What does that over pressure feel like on your body? Is the primary concern your heart? brain? eardrums?
You barely feel the pressure, it is nott bad at all. Keep your mouth open during fireing and you wount feel a thing. If you are having a cold then it will blow your nose for you.. :-)
Picture from 4 weeks ago during an exercise.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o184/rike_/HV/390774_**********7495902_598045901_8420327_1930185477_n.jpg
I take it that was a tongue in cheek comment rike? I assure you that you will definitely feel the over pressure.
If I’m not mistaken, SAAB Bofors is working on an improved version (M4?), that should be able to fire programmable rounds the same way the XM25 does.
Plus with the development of guided rockets, I wouldn’t be surprised if in a few year we start seeing some guided AT rounds for the CG. Pretty neat for a weapon from the 50′s.
Here’s a link (in French, but the juicy content is in English) about Infantry AT weapons:
http://www.air-defense.net/forum/index.php?topic=15063.30
Worth scrolling through the whole topic. Ask if you need any translation.
The replacement for AT4 in Swedish army is the NLAW…
http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Land/Weapon-Systems/support-weapons/NLAW-Next-Generation-Light-Antitank-Weapon/
And yes, the CG will fire anything that has a 84mm round projectile.
Maybe in the future they shrink down a STRIX from 120mm to 84mm =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY9S-PcKLYs
But there is some disadvantages when the tube is elevated more then 45degrees and you dont have a huge hole in the ground to “swallow” the exhaust atleast avoid wearing nylons under your uniform…. ;-)
We used it alot in Afghanistan especially with airburst function in mountains like these>>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdjEBmJ1w4Y&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL86DAD01E4ED915DC
Seems like a good capability for a unit to have, combined with a DMR in at least 7.62 if not .300winmag. But she looks heavy to be humping on a patrol..
Jack,
How many rounds, in addition to the launcher, does the gunner normally carry, and how many do you spread out across the rest of the team/squad?
Back in the day we had assault packs specially made for the Goose rounds but we often just used regular assault packs and taped a small square of cardboard over the primer to protect it. Normally, each guy on the AT team would carry 2-3 rounds.
BTW, coming for a light infantry and mech infantry background, this is a nice improvement from the old LAW and Dragon.
What are you talking about. the old Carl Gustav is a awesome weapon. and can kick some serious but.
Can we have a “Kit Up” Field Day where we can experience these types of weapons and others!?
The Gustav is an excellent weapon and is in use with Rangers, CAG, SEALs & MARSOC. They also make a titanium one that shaves about 30% of the weight.
My question is why doesn’t the conventional side pick it up? The Army has nothing like it (except for a Javelin) and it outclasses the SMAW in every category.
Major Rod, that’s what is happening now. Those 126 new systems are destined for mother Army.
Ah, that wasn’t clear from the initial write up.
This article cleared it up a bit http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2011/11/30/u-s-army-orders-carl-gustaf-84mm-recoiless-rifles/
It states that 3/10 (not sure who that is, 3rd BCT, 10th Mountain?) and some 82nd troops will be fielding. Long time in coming. Even back in the 80′s us conventional infantry guys really liked to get an attached engineer squad who still had the 90mm RCLR.
82D’s gettin their’s, believe it. Can’t wait to “play” with it.
Thermobarics God i would of loved to have had those, they would of been my bestest friends. Didn’t the insurgents complain about them in iraq?.
As a former member of her Majesty’s Canadian Forces (CF) I would add that they’re great, almost indestructible and simple. That last one’s not to be overlooked. We’ve had them for decades and while you complain about carrying them no one complains about using them. Sure we would have liked something more high tech and guided when talking tank hunting (and a bigger warhead) but we had tactics to work with the Carl G. You mainly went for the mobility kill.
If you love the smorgasbord of rounds they can use, you’ll really love the RAP (Rocket Assisted Projectile) ones. They add a whole lot of range and velocity – just check that back blast!
2RAR in the Australian Army recently acquired the M3 version of this weapon:
http://digital.realviewtechnologies.com/default.aspx?xml=defencenews_army.xml&iid=33777
See page 3
There is more news about it in the more recent editions.
Wait, adaptation to the current battlefield and a cheaper price tag… From Army higher-ups?
Color me surprised.
There’s some tech in a lab somewhere, gnawing an eraser, whispering to himself “No computer… Can’t be effective…”
Seriously, guys… Keep It Simple Stud.
The ADF certainly love their CGs. Got new BAE sights for them too.
As a intern for regular forces bring back Dragon antitank missiles since they have thousands in storage and for bunker busters in Afghanistan it’ll work better than a M-136 or LAW.
Lance – The M47 Dragon S-U-C-K-E-D !!! It was very difficult to fire and hit anything. The tracking system was horrible! Our guys shouldn’t be handicapped with the stuff we were forced to use. RPGs were better.
It’s way past my time so I rarely comment on tactical subjects, but we should have adopted the RPG-7D in 1972 at the latest. I like the Carl Gustav (M-2, not sure about the 3), but it’s quite heavy and in a war like Vietnam it would be left behind by infantry units. However, the RPG can go anywhere and has caused an awful lot of casualties to us.
At times I’m surprised by comments made about the Muj: “The Taliban in Afghanistan has finally figured out the limited range of American rifles and other small arms.”
The Red Army was defeated in head to head infantry engagements on a daily basis because of the limited range of their infantry weapons. The volume of fire would have made one think that Red Army soldiers had an advantage, but they were outgunned beyond 300 meters. Unless tactics have changed drastically from the 1980s, and I’ve not seen much evidence of that, they could move back 70 meters and pretty much enjoy the same long range advantage over US forces. Good piece, enjoyed it very much.
I also chuckle when I read about “muj” have figured out to engage us from outside 500m. Then I remember stories that report 30, 50, 70 Taliban killed attacking some base in Afghanistan and of course the award citations of Guinta, Petry and Meyer…
It was a different ball game when I was there. Long range engagements were hopelessly inaccurate mortar fire. Occasionally you might get a command detonated IED and that was about it.
The ODA I’m attached to here in Afghanistan has a few Carl Gustav’s. One of the funnest weapons to shoot IMO
Fire and movement with the 84mm recoilless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wodf_Rx9gko
Good move and long time coming yes. The Swedes made one helluva weapon. Good move.
What’s more effective at actually destroying a structure, HE or HEDP?
Remember the Dragon? what a hunk of shiz glad the jav took over.The military better start shifting to more full scale like many generals have suggested we are losing that edge a little.It’s good to see the Marines are getting back to their original missions and getting away from the land based warfare recommended by the top. We get a korea or some kind of knocked down dragged out WWIII style,we are going to need the basics all over again.Why do they always stick with fighting the last war?, haven’t they learned since Nam?. FFG tank busters are the way to go just pop up shoot and go. Robots lead the way!also. Sounds to future not really.
In Canada we started using these in 1979, we lacked the spread of ammo that they have now and they were a much heavier version, glad I was in the arty and not humping it on my back.