If you’re following the ongoing debacle that is Recoil, you’ll love this next bit: the recent statement from Joe Galloway is now officially not the official Recoil stance. If you’re unaware, Mr. Galloway sent out a message that
basically said, “We’re sticking to the editor’s apology. If you don’t like it, piss off. Other people will buy our magazine.” It was, in fact, so condescending and arrogant that I called his office -and that of Jerry Tsai – to confirm it wasn’t bogus. I couldn’t believe his message reflected their official response. Maybe it’s an internet troll trying to make things worse. To be completely up front, I was infuriated. Galloway’s statement essentially belittled all of us who are and were riled up over the whole thing.
I never did hear back from Galloway or his assistant, but I did talk to Jerry Tsai. I believe he is sincere and contrite.
He advises (and I have no reason to disbelieve him) that Mr. Galloway sent that out on his own accord and that it wasn’t cleared by the actual publisher. The actual publisher apparently still hasn’t taken a stance (or if they have, they haven’t made it public). Mr. Tsai seems to have been awaiting clearance from his boss to address this whole issue any further. Fair enough. Sadly, then Mr. Galloway threw more fuel on the fire in a big way…after which, things grew even more complicated still when HK released their statement, which completely contradicts Recoil’s.
Here’s what I know: Editor Jerry Tsai spoke to me directly and said Mr. Galloway’s message was not that of the Recoil publisher. He advises Mr. Galloway’s role is strictly relegated to the sales team. I’m inclined to believe this given the texts I received from Mr. Tsai asking me to stand by while he finished what I later interpreted to be damage control meetings and my subsequent conversation with him.
So, it’s become even more convoluted. The truth of the matter? I don’t know. This pooch has been well and truly screwed. I just can’t see how the magazine can survive this most recent gaffe (whether it was their official stance or not) without something drastic happening.
In the end, you’re defined by your actions. Even if Galloway was off the reservation, they obviously can’t control their people, which shows a fundamental lack of leadership. Whether that’s because of their corporate structure or because of the failure of one or more individuals somewhere in the food chain I don’t know. I just don’t know how this goat can be unf&$#ed. It’s a pity too, because I really liked the magazine. I still hold onto some faint (probably vain) hope the situation will be salvaged, but I couldn’t for the life me predict how that would happen.
In any case, Stay tuned for the next episode of Recoil’s Pages Turn…
FYI, lots of background information on the issue at:
You can also read background and responses from Pantaeo, Jim Fuller, SWAT, Haley Strategic, Magpul Dynamic and others.
Disclosure: I don’t know Recoil Editor Jerry Tsai very well, but I have been in contact with him off and on since SHOT 2012. I will let you know up front I personally like the guy insofar as I’ve known him. I also exchanged some desultory e-mails with a member of his staff a couple of months back about doing some freelancing for Recoil. Although I never spoke to Mr. Tsai about the freelancing directly, I have no reason to believe he hadn’t heard about it. I had not yet gotten around to the point of submitting my past print articles from other magazines for their review before Issue 4 was released and I have not addressed the matter further.
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Well said, Mr. Reeder. Sheesh! It’s bizarre how fast Recoil self-destructed.
I don’t think Recoil self-destructed. I think it was destroyed, and rightly so. We must not permit anyone to say anything bad about the Prophet Moha…uh, I mean, the Second Amendment.
Yeah, I’m really proud of the Second Amendment community for crushing this horrible threat to our rights. Yay, team.
Brilliant. No, seriously. Nail on the head.
Jack,
If you don’t understand the difference between exercising the right to stand against a magazine because they don’t hold your beliefs… and a mob of murdering, Middle-Eastern thugs, well, that says something about you…
When people display those beliefs in dialogue or a decision to boycott a product, or to call for someone’s resignation, it is the market place of competing ideas fleshing itself out. If someone doesn’t believe in the 2nd Amendment start a magazine based on that. It’s your right. But don’t speak “down” to others condescendingly as a moral messiah, comparing their actions to the Islamic extremist who just murdered 4 Americans.
It’s called an analogy. If you don’t understand that, well, that says something about you…
In this case, I was referring to the “let’s jump on the bandwagon and be ****** for no real reason except we have decided to be ****** instead of making an effort to see the situation for what it is, i.e. much ado about nothing” mindset that has dominated this fiasco from the start.
But thanks for explaining to me market place this and what my right are that while speaking “down” to me condescendingly as a moral messiah.
I don’t want to get into an internet slap fight with you, but don’t call me black, pot.
Really? You can’t type “pee eye ess ess eee dee”?
Jack,
It’s no different than the 2A community jumping all over Jim Zumbo for saying ARs should be banned and essentially introducing him to holy fire and brimstone.
What’s sad to me is that the same 2A community cannot rationally spend the same effort towards constructive purposes, like getting more gun safety and such out there to counter the general behavior of the anti-gun crowd.
What was HK’s statement about?
they said they fully support civilians posessing their arms and that HK is an ardent supporter of the 2A, and that the statement was fully RECOIL magazines and not HKs, and the only reason they arent offering a MP7 is because they didnt think they could bring one to market that would sell and meet guidelines(paraphrased)
Okay, I can get that last part. Putting a 16″ barrel on the MP7SF would just be ridiculous (more than doubling in length), and not many people are going to deal with the Form 4 paperwork for an SBR, including the $200 tax stamp. From a business standpoint, I have to agree with H&K on that last part, as much as I would love one. Even if they did for the MP7 what they did for the UMP, it’s still iffy on sales, they’d have to totally redesign the weapon, and all of it’s advantages would be rendered useless.
Thanks for the info J Hutson! It’s pretty funny to hear HK say something like that. They have been one of the worst companies (them and Remington) when it comes to civilian sales in the US. HK is well known to be antigun and I really find it hard to believe their statements.
@ Adam Broussard- HK wouldn’t have to redesign anything. They just don’t want to sell to us. The gun is good to go for civilian sales as is. The semiauto version would likely sell very well as would the select fire variant.
It would sell, yes, but due to the extra headaches required for purchasing SBRs, in addition to H&K’s longstanding high price tags, it would put it out of range of many people. Again, I agree in a pure business sense. I also think they should make it available on a limited run basis or special order.
To most conservative gun owners, I agree that the SBR process and the $200 tax stamp would seem daunting. However, the gun community has changed drastically. Just a few years ago, I would have thought the same as you, “HK wouldn’t make much money off of an SBR anyway”. What I have found to be true in the last 2-3 years is exactly opposite. I’m not trying to sound condescending to your comments. I’m just saying that something changed, like, overnight. All of a sudden, everyone has an SBR, and most shooters and students I see are definitely willing to drop the extra coin. Something that has surprised me is the suppressor sales and the 416 sales. Suppressors are flying off the shelves these days and when a number of HK416 10.4″ barrel uppers showed up on the open market, they sold like hotcakes for as much as 2 complete rifles from a premium manufacturer.
I think your idea would make HK a TON of coin. Do a special run or a limited order and watch them go in minutes!
Sig sells factory SBRs FN sells the ps90 and the five seven pistol that shoot a round that was designed to defeat body armor. Hk dose not want to do ether.. or want to do ether because they serve no sporting purpose… how long did it take them to make a civey 416? well it is not really a 416.. lol it is a Match Rifle.. you cant even run it on a legally owned select fire lower.. Recoil said what HK has thought and acted like for years..
Yeah, the SBR market seems to be doing just fine. Last I heard Vector was selling a lot more SBR KRISSs than long barrel. I would be among them as soon as I get the **** out of Illinois where all class 3 and form 4 toys are banned.
BTW all, the Form 4 is for suppressors, machine guns, and destructive devices. The form for SBR’s and SBS’s is the Form 1. Just wanted to throw that out there for anyone looking to get an SBR or anyone who lives in a state where Class III weapons are banned.
As a side note, the process for either is pretty simple. Also, there are some reps from several manufacturers that are working very hard to try and change the process. They have made several trips to DC to talk with prominent individuals about the outdated NFA regulations. Right now, the wait times are about 6 months on a suppressor and 2 months for an SBR. I put my last Form 4 through in February and just got my suppressor 3 weeks ago.
HK has NOTHING to gain from civilian sales. They make a predictable, consistent fortune selling to agencies that will comply with their training programs (which they bundle with the hardware), their maintenance programs (which they bundle with the hardware), and whatever else they can monetize “help” to a large customer with.
The flip side is that when an agency breaks 10 of its guns a plane ticket, a rental car and two days per diem is all it costs to find out who messed up (bad gun, bad ammo or bad maintenance–33% chance of having to fund repairs). Not the case with civvies. HK built its reputation by making it look easy, when in fact it constrains EVERY reasonable controllable factor. Yes, the gun will fire in ANY environment, but you have to clean it THEIR way, use THEIR lube and you have to shoot a grade of ammo that 90% of the civvie shooting population would BALK at limiting itself to.
HK threw Tsai under the bus, in spite of the fact that he was likely parroting an “unofficial” point of view I’ve heard from their reps (and he–in his lack of sophistication–heard at the range and over margaritas afterward). No way in **** will HK EVAHR release a suppressed, select fire SBR optimized for anti-armor to civilian population free to name HK as a co-defendant in a lawsuit over misuse of that gun. Just DEFENDING a SINGLE case like that would make it a non-starter. Hats and polo shirts? THEY don’t get you sued.
And THAT is the strange irony of this whole controversy.
side note… HEY FSFM! haven’t seen you in a while!
Taken directly from Webster (that’s a dictionary for those of you under 30):
Recoil: intransitive verb \ri-ˈkȯi(-ə)l\
1
a: to fall back under pressure
b: to shrink back physically or emotionally
2: to spring back to or as if to a starting point : rebound
3: obsolete: degenerate
Kinda ironic. Thanks for stayin’ on point Mr. Reeder. You are a credit to our industry…and a snappy dresser too.
Next time you talk to Jerry Tsai, tell him to man up and resign.
So you want to add the the national unemployment rate? Give him a break. If he doesn’t learn from his mistake, then sure, award him the DCM. But most of us here have made mistakes and been given a second chance. Tsai deserves one too.
We have wasted enough bandwidth on this subject. Time to move on. Hopefully lessons have learned.
The mp7 is only available in fully automatic any way… what is all the hooplah about? CIVILIANS CANT OWN FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS MADE AFTER MAY 1986… get over it already…
They can if they are Law Enforcement Officers, because last time I checked LEO’s were civilians.
LEO’s dont actually own the guns they are issued…
I said nothing about their issue weapons.
With proper letterhead, LEO’s may purchase full auto weapons for their personal collection and use.
I thought that with a $200 tax stamp and some paperwork anyone can own a fully automatic weapon. or a suprresor.
True, depending on state and as long as MG was registered prior to 19 May86.
Have you been hitting up the evidence room for crack lately?
A law enforcement officer has precisely zero special rights or abilities in regards to the NFA according to federal law as interpreted and enforced by the BATFE. Their agency may purchase Title 1 or Title 2 firearms on agency letterhead, subject to ATF approval, and then issue them for duty use only. Law enforcement officers may not use personal funds to purchase an NFA item on agency letterhead, and any one of them publicly caught doing so would likely face termination at the least, if not federal prison time.
As far as NFA Branch is concerned, individual LE status is irrelevant. It won’t even speed up the Form 4 processing time.
The MP7A1 is not only made in full auto. With that said, civilians CAN own new select fire guns if they want to go through the process.
None of that matters anyway. This whole debacle isn’t about not being able to own an MP7A1.
Better re-read the fire arms protection act of 1986. “ban a civilian from ownership or transfer rights of any fully automatic weapon which was not registered as of May 19, 1986.” So that means anything manufactured after that date can’t be legally owned by a civilian.
Understood. Like I said, if you want to own NEW select fire guns made after 1986, then you have to be willing to go through the process.
Understand LE can get one, but there is no process by which I could legally get one.
LEO’s are civilians. If you become a LEO, then yes you may obtain one, therefore your statement is incorrect.
Your splitting hairs, my statement is correct. Side note at 49, fat and broken down, I’m not going to the police academy. Please read section {479.105 Transfer and possession of machine guns} {The registration of such machine guns under this part and their subsequent transfer shall be conditioned upon and restricted to the sale or distribution of such weapons for the official use of Federal, State or local governmental entities.} Governmental entities, not individuals.
Also the weapon is “suppose” to be for the department, not individual officers. Most get around it by assigning weapon to the training officer, swat officers, officers qualified on the weapon or the like. That officer retires, that weapon goes back. It not his to keep.
E. Ronc, you are correct as is Lance R. Peak. A select fire gun is “suppose” to be bought by the department, not the officer. However, officers have been known to get around it somehow. That’s certainly one way to do it. But, like you say E., I’m not sure how a LEO would keep it after he leaves the force.
With all that said, that wasn’t the process I was speaking of. The process I am talking about would be for civilians who are not LE (although they could do it too).
Law seems pretty clear, the only other “process” I’ve seen is to become a dealer or manufacture to “own” a post 19MAY86, and that’s not happening.
Well, no, that is actually incorrect. it’s difficult to make out simply by reading the general legalese that makes up the applicable law. The 1986 reference is the grandfathering in of the changes made in 1986 from the original 1968 ban, even select fire weapons made after 1986 can be legally owned by civilians as long as they file the proper paperwork for a class three tax stamp in accordance with the law.
Title 479.105 is for government and law enforcement which are exempt from said tax. That said, I’m going to take a stab and assume you don’t actually have a class three weapon yourself and don’t really know for sure.
You seem to be at odds with the ATF. ATF E-Publication 5320.8 Revised: April 2009.
Section 9.2 & Section 9.11 seems pretty clear. Only registered guns can be transferred.
{you don’t actually have a class three weapon yourself and don’t really know for sure.} correct. This sate doesn’t allow it. My friend in Maine has an old cobray was looking to improve to something new and basically found no go there.
Actually, they make the MP7-SF, a variant that is semi-auto only. The MOD in the UK uses it, and it wouldn’t be hard to simply ship some here. Individual officers can’t purchase automatic weapons made after 1986, but they can be purchased by the organization/department and “issued” to the officer with the requisite paperwork.
Except that imported in the MP7-SF configuration, it would constitute an SBR. And the GCA prohibits importation of NFA items.
If HK decided to produce the MP7-SF with a 16″ barrel, it would then constitute a non-sporting firearm under the 1986 FOPA, and again could not be imported for individuals.
The only possible product that HK could sell would be a domestically-produced and assembled rifle, either SBR or not. But they would have to do the production here (or at least the majority of it). And that’s rather expensive for something of such a limited market.
David, excellent write-up brother. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter.
While he clearly should have kept his mouth shut, he has a point… even among people who support the second amendment, whether certain kinds of small arms should be legal is still highly debatable. Light 50′s and sub-50 heavy sniper rifles, compact pistol-caliber carbines with AP capability built into the rounds (for lack of a better term for the semi-auto versions of the P90 and MP7) do have the potential for some serious carnage. Especially light 50′s, which have been used in Ireland against English soldiers.
@ bbb- All the weapons you just mentioned are currently available to the public already with the obvious exception being the MP7A1. With that said, I believe they should stay that way. Yes, the ammunition that you mention has the ability to “cause some serious carnage” as you put it, but so does any other weapon system out there. The Second Amendment isn’t about, “this is a little too much,so no one should have it”. In fact, the more effective a weapon is terminally, the more reason it should be available!
I personally think they should be available, but my point is simply that even for people who strongly support the second amendment, whether or not they should be is debatable. There are valid points to both arguments.
But honestly, most of us just want things like Barretts and AR15s because they’re cool and fun to shoot more than for any other reason. Although some people just buy them because they think the value will go up after they’re banned….
I agree substantially with bbb.
I remember America when all our military guns were made here.
Still are
yeah, it’s kind of a law.
We don’t use the MP-7 and like everybody else has commented, all of our guns are (by law) made here, it’s called the Berry Amendment. Don’t bother with the designed here argument since we’ve had a long history of using foreign designed weapons as well; two I can name right off the top of my head are the Krag-Jorgensen rifle, and the Springfield M1903 used a Mauser action.
so is the berry amendment why the HK416 is in service? or the Stryker vehicle? or the Glock? or the Milkor MGL?
The last time i looked, H&K was not a budget brand. How many of you could actually afford to go out and buy an MP7A1 if it was publicly available for purchase? Of those who could theoretically afford to make that purchase, how many of you actually would? Before you answer the second question, think carefully of all the other weapons you might want to buy and then disregard them because the MP7a1would have to be your first priority.
I certainly couldn’t afford to buy one, and even if I could, there are other weapons that are higher on my wish list than an MP7A1. Once you start looking at the issue through the lens of both business and personal economics, the market for the M7A1 starts to shrink to a point where,i suspect, there really isn’t enough money in it for H&K to bother bringing a ‘street legal’ version to the US market.
It seems to me that if H&K doesn’t want to sell the MP7A1 to the public, it is their right. It needs to be remembered that they make most of their money selling to the military and law enforcement. That is their constituency. Not the average guy who thinks its “cool” to shoot something that looks like a military or police firearm.
It seems to me that there is little upside for HK in selling to the general public. The first fatal shooting with an MP7A1would cost them more in negative publicity than any profit they might make from the few public sales they would actually make.
With all that in mind, does the foot-in-mouth disease suffered by Jerry Tsai really amount to a hill of beans?
Hk should farm out a MP7 build to umarex like they did for the MP5s and 416s and make in .17 hr magnum and .22 just for ***** and giggle. And put a fake suppressor on to cover long barrel. I own a FN ps90 cool gun but to expensive to feed all the time, I would love a .22 version to play with.
Get a Ruger 10/22 and outfit it with a Arch Angel stock to give you the HK G36 stock. I am sure there is a P90 “look alike aftermarket stock out there”. Heck, I saw cheaper than dirt had a stock for a 10/22 that makes it look like a MG42. I have a GSG MP5 (Pre HK lawsuit) – this is a .22 and that is close as I am going to get to a HK rifle. All of their rifles are over $3,000. The HK 416 is about $3,600 in my area (midwest). For $3,600, I could buy a lot more quality firearms (like 2 M1As). Their handguns are within reachable price range…just under $1,000.
I was looking for a gsg5 and I found the HK mp5 .22 version. It was actually several hindered dollars cheaper than the gsg’s I priced around the city I live in. But I agree 100% with you I would love a 416, but for that price there is so much out there you can get. I would get an M1A ad a five seven and it would still be cheaper then $3600.
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Good to hear from you gunslinger6. I personally haven’t seen the HK version. I have seen it advertise at Gander Mountain in their ads. I would love to see how it compares to GSG version. I have no issues with my GSG version. I use remington .22. HK handguns are within reasonable price range of an average shooters. (You would spend close to $1,000 on a good 1911…that’s the way I look at it ) But their rifles over $3,000….is a bit much. Like the Bushmaster ACR…..would love to have one but $2,800 is still much for me. So I got an arch angel stock ($200) to make my mini 14 look like & feel an ACR.
Thanks go navy! I see you over at SOFREP too. Yea the HK was little over $500 after tax which wasn’t bad for what they are charging for gsg down here in Miami. I really enjoy the HK also it’s nice on price at range when buy ammo. It came with the collapsing stock but I bought fixed stock from HK website since all parts are interchangeable. That’s cool about the mini 14 I like the add on you did. I am still working on my S&W MP 15 all I have done for that is rail system and got the 60 rd surefire mag for it which is awesome and I recommend it. Bravo company USA sells it cheapest from what I have seen around
Internet
gunslinger6: $500 isn’t bad for firearm made by HK. That’s expensive for GSG. I got my GSG5 (preban) for $360 at Dunhams sporting goods. After the lawsuit and redesign, it’s about $450-$500. The whole lawsuit thing was ridiculous (HK suiting GSG because GSG “copied” the MP5 design). How many airsofts have MP5 designs? Now the new GSG5 have a different fixed sights, pistol grip texture, and a little loop underneath the trigger guard that asbolutely does nothing. Good choice the M&P15. I have one of the original M&P15 (fixed front sight and carrying handle) when it came out in 2006. I have no issues with my M&P15. I have a midwest industries rail (gen1). One accessory you should get is BCM charging handle($50) from Bravo Company USA. It makes racking your AR with one hand alot easier. I also have Magpul BAD lever too. Good luck on your AR project. Thanks for the feedback on Surefire mag. I haven’t decided to spend the $100 on a mag yet…..I use PMAGS & brownell’s AR mags.
Just saw the recent issue of Recoil hitting the magazine shelf. I DID like their magazine. It’s fresh perspective to the firearms/accessories communities. The pictures in the magazine are very detailed. Also they threw in a free target too :) However their comment regarding the MP7 has no “sporting” value and not suitable for the public is what got everybody all mad. The Editor (Jerry) probably didn’t think too much of it or didn’t proof read his article before publishing it. The way I look at it, if you are trained, responsible and can legally own the firearm, then get a MP7 if you want.
Yea it was a great find for that price I do agree. I also got the midwest industry rail system, which i am very happy with. I use P mags and that is it, except for the SureFire mag. Yea it was expensive but it is awesome. yea it was crazy down here they were charging almost 700 for used GSG 5
gunslinger6: That’s crazy! $700 for a used GSG5? Add $200 and get an AR instead. Did you get the Gen 2 Midwest industries rail? (the Gen 2 covers Delta Ring give you a complete flat top). Yes, Surefire has good quality just like their lights, but you do pay for it. The .22 that has been selling like crazy here is M&P.22 Rifle. It’s about $480 and alot of kids (18 yr old) have been buying them. It gets them easier access on an “AR like” platform and costs less to shoot. I am still debating about getting the ISSC FN Scar look alike….I heard it’s not the easiest to field strip. It would just be another plinker.
GoNavy!: that’s what I said $700 you are crazy for used gsg, and that was my thoughts too couple extra hundred and get an AR platform. I got the Gen 1 same as you got and I am very happy with the product and it fits great! No wobbles! I was actually looking at ISSC SCAR .22 before I found the HK and all I could find were over priced used gsg5′s. It would be a great plunked for the range. It was cool when I looked at it, weight felt right and felt good in my hands but the guy did mention it can be a pain to field strip it. If you pick one up let me know what you think. I want to add another piece to the collection but economy is tuff right now as we all know. My favorite pistol still is the FNP .40 I got about year ago. It is my everyday carry over my 1911, 9mm, and .380.
gunslinger6: You have the same tastes in firearms as I do. I have an FNX .40 that I got over a year ago. I thought that wound be my carry gun but ended up being too bulky. I went with a G19 which I feel just right for me. The FNX .40 is still good. I have a few thousand rounds and not a single issue. Did you check out the FNS? I probably would have picked up a FNS if it was available back then. A lot of my LE friends don’t like the FN series because it’s got a manual safety on it. I am used to it from Beretta M9. I probably not going to get the ISSC Scar just because it’s a pain to field strip and it’s another .22. You are right. It’s tough economy. I want to make sure I spend my money right. I am not one of those guys that has the cash to spend thousands and thousands on guns. I need to look at quality & budget….(I find a happy medium). That’s why I got the M&P15. Back in 2006, it was a good deal. $1,100 for a quality Milspec AR.
GoNavy!: that’s what I said $700 you are crazy for used gsg, and that was my thoughts too couple extra hundred and get an AR platform. I got the Gen 1 same as you got and I am very happy with the product and it fits great! No wobbles! I was actually looking at ISSC SCAR .22 before I found the HK and all I could find were over priced used gsg5′s. It would be a great plunked for the range. It was cool when I looked at it, weight felt right and felt good in my hands but the guy did mention it can be a pain to field strip it. If you pick one up let me know what you think. I want to add another piece to the collection but economy is tuff right now as we all know.
GoNavy!: that’s what I said $700 you are crazy for used gsg, and that was my thoughts too couple extra hundred and get an AR platform. I got the Gen 1 same as you got and I am very happy with the product and it fits great! No wobbles! I was actually looking at ISSC SCAR .22 before I found the HK and all I could find were over priced used gsg5′s. It would be a great plunked for the range. It was cool when I looked at it, weight felt right and felt good in my hands but the guy did mention it can be a pain to field strip it. If you pick one up let me know what you think.
Somehow I am thinking that the entire gun world wants him to fall on his sword for that misdeed.
Personally, the only loser here is us because I really like the magazine. I think the only thing that can make Jerry Tsai make up for it is to make the MP7 a reality for civilians. That is the only honorary thing.
Blame BATF, blame congress and the 1968 and 86 crap for all of this. That is where the proper blame needs to be.
With the entire gun industry and well what 80 million gun owners, we can easily get rid of the machine gun ban of 86 and also dump the silly sporting clause of 68.
Let’s do that, but not until we actually get some decent enforcement on the other parts of those laws. As much as I’d love to buy my own MG42, I’d prefer that schizophrenics and sociopaths did not.
And we will all live happily ever after, REMF. if you want to play with machine guns, why don’t you join the military? They have lots of them and you could take your pick. Of course, you won’t be able to stay in the rear echelon any more, and “play” really isn’t a term one would apply to a real firefight. Looks like its back to the rear echelon for you REMF, where you can play with your pearl handle .45 and dream of the ‘big guns’ that the real men carry.
I really do wonder how much thought some of you guys give to your comments before you commit them to writing! I am with bbb, except let’s not even bother. There aren’t the resources to enforce the current laws effectively, so change is simply out of the question. And I too would prefer that the looney tunes and squalid criminals did have easy access to any more weapons than they already have.
What was it, 4 issues? It’s a glossy picture book for fan boys and gear ******, enough with the “good magazine” hyperbole, this wasn’t exactly Small Arms Review level writing there. Get over it, this guy couldn’t keep his foot out of his mouth long enough to get to a second printing.
If I want to look at pretty pictures of guns I’ll cruise Stickman’s stuff.
Nobody who wants my support pulls that sporting purpose crap, I get enough of that from the libtard little brains.
Well I was never interested in “Gun Magazines” but they did have an issue that showed us how to do some custom stippling on pistol grips and so forth. I think it’s a shame that a man lost his job for having a different opinion or maybe for making a mistake. Guess its back to next months issue of Soldier of Fortune and Swat Magazine. Lame.
Tsai wrote some questionable things, but that is my opinion. If he has lost his job for expressing some views with which others disagree, then that is sad.
I subscribed to Recoil as an e-magazine through Zinio. There is not a lot to choose from in the format, and there were articles in the first few issues that were good and there were some which were not so good. But heck, the same could be said for Playboy, Time, Vanity Fair or any other magazine or newspaper (and no, I don’t just read Playboy for the articles).
Most of the rest of you are not Recoil subscribers. You browse, make a decision and either buy or put the issue back down. Unlike you, I have to decide whether to ask Zinio for my money back. At this point in time, I have decided to reserve judgment and keep on reading. Whether I renew my subscription will depend on a number of factors, but Jerry Tsai’s opinions won’t be among them.
I too think it is a shame that a man lost his job over what, to me, doesn’t amount to a hill of beans.
What I find interesting about all this is the weapon.
I mean of all the weapons one could think of that shouldn’t belong in the bad guys hand the MP7A1 is not one of them. I mean aside from very limited uses the MP7A1 is a pretty crappy weapon system. It fires a 4.6mm round(basically a .17) that was designed to penetrate soft armor better than 9mm, but it sacrifices a huge amount of terminal ballistics.
5.56 in all variaties even M193 will penetrate soft armor better than the 4.6 and have better terminal ballistics. A MK18 is a far more dangerous weapon than the MP7A1. Also you have to deal with HK if you use this weapon……and no ones likes tryin to get spare parts from them.
You’re missing the point, I think. It’s not about the size of the bullet and terminal ballistics, it’s the fact that it’s a gun with carbine accuracy and firepower and armor penetration that’s the size and weight of a large pistol. You could fit the gun and several hundred rounds into a small backpack with room to spare.
Sure, there are deadlier guns, but you’re hard pressed to find anything close in the same package.
You kidding me? I can make a 6.5″ kitty cat SBR and it will fit in a backpack and be better than the MP7.
Granted we should be allowed to own them, but I feel the whole OMG ITS SO DEALY!! Feelings conveyed in the magazine are a little over the top and in line with what I expect from HK as far as “theyre the bestest stuffs ever”.
Also armor penetration is overhyped on this gun, while it does penetrate soft armor better than a handgun, so does the 5.7 of the P90, yet no one cares about it. A 9mm while not penetrating soft armor will perform better in terminal ballistics, and the 5.7 will penetrate better than the 4.6.
Like I said its a pretty pathetic gun.
For that matter, FN makes the five-seven. A 20 round handgun that will go through soft armor.
The FN doesn’t have a buttstock and foregrips, and the ability to take optics and suppressors out of the box.
A short-barrel AR15 STILL won’t fit in as small a space with as much ammo as an MP7. And for that matter, neither will an FS90.
You clearly have never seen a P90 then, it is a shoulder fired incredibly compact 5.7mm rifle. It also uses a 50 round magazine and can easily take optics.
I have seen a P90 (or at least a 1:1 replica), but it’s still not as compact as an MP7. Also, the PS90 is by merit of it’s non-NFA barrel, much less compact. Also, P90 magazines are quite bulky compared to MP7 magazines so the number of rounds that you can fit in the same space is lower.
Of course, FN doesn’t sell a short-barrel PS90 AFAIK…