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Brett November 28, 2012 at 6:11 pm

Not enough grass inspections on that list

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John D November 28, 2012 at 7:26 pm

CSM stands for Can't Seriously Matter!! Some of these guys think they are generals! I had one tell me he was 3d in command of a division! CSMs aren't in command of anything! They are senior advisors to the commander about enlisted matters! Some are pretty good others are just idiotic. We had one get kicked out of Iraq because he was compromising missions to get him and his PSD shot at to get their CABs! Dangerous idiot!! Others were relieved for sleeping w/ their female drivers (3ID). They are supposed to rid w/ the Commander but fanagle a vehicle, driver and other syncophants for his "office"!

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Josh R November 29, 2012 at 7:23 am

John D – Sounds like you're talking about the 1-3 BSTB CSM from 1BCT 3ID in Ramadi '07-'08

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patrulje November 29, 2012 at 4:50 am

You forgot to put in there tell the commander what a bad decision he just made (behind closed doors of course).

Unfortunately, I have to agree with John D, I am ashamed of many CSMs these days. They have become the uniform police and are the 1st to argue that we need to get back to a "garrison" army. Which is their comfort zone. An army should train to win on the battlefield period dot as my old commander used to say.

j. CSM (ret)

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leftoftheboom November 29, 2012 at 6:32 am

You forgot vehicle alignment in the motor pool, drip pan and tarp tie down inspection.

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leftoftheboom November 29, 2012 at 6:33 am

And Reflective Belt inspection

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deadhorse November 29, 2012 at 11:11 am

@leftoftheboom Too true! ****

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deadhorse November 29, 2012 at 11:11 am

wth? it edited out "****"? lame.

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deadhorse November 29, 2012 at 11:12 am

"laughing my ***……… off" really? again? smh

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Mike November 29, 2012 at 11:54 am

to which I can only add, "1600: Giving a new 2nd LT the patented CSM "Stare"…for a full 90 seconds."

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Broadsword November 29, 2012 at 1:36 pm

OR, Mike, you MIGHT say something like this: "How the EFF do YOU know what kind of G-D Day it is?" …..or words to that effect. The Movie ( 'We Were Soldiers Once…') was good….the book was better.

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Broadsword November 29, 2012 at 1:34 pm

Just to introduce a little balance….there is C.Sgt.Maj. (recently deceased at the age of 92!) Basil Plumley….here's an excerpt from his obituary. "In the 2002 film version, Mel Gibson played Moore and Elliott played Plumley. Galloway said several of Elliott's gruff one-liners in the movie were things Plumley actually said, such as the scene in which a soldier tells the sergeant major good morning and is told: "Who made you the (expletive) weather man?"
"Sam Elliott underplayed him. He was actually tougher than that," Galloway said. "He was gruff, monosyllabic, an absolute terror when it came to enforcing standards of training."
That's not to say he was mean or inhuman, Galloway said. "This was a man above all else who had a very big, warm heart that he concealed very well."
Plumley retired with the rank command sergeant major in 1974 at Fort Benning, his last duty station. He then took a civilian job doing administrative work for the next 15 years at Martin Army Community Hospital."
Link: <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2 Fwww.tributes.com%2Fshow%2FBasil-L.-Plumley-94566782&ei=qN63UK7vD5LD0AHV-IDYCw&usg=AFQjCNHkEKUgAQnm4FqFxiWgKn2F5mJUug” target=”_blank”>http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a…” target=”_blank”>Fwww.tributes.com%2Fshow%2FBasil-L.-Plumley-94566782&ei=qN63UK7vD5LD0AHV-IDYCw&usg=AFQjCNHkEKUgAQnm4FqFxiWgKn2F5mJUug

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JM November 29, 2012 at 2:06 pm

My personal experience favorite: "Where's your PC!?", despite the fact that you're clearly returning from days of combat operations out in sector without much food, running water, or sleep. Now drop everything in the moon dust road dedicated to gator traffic; My 3-day pack, 240, EBR, M4, and full kit to dig through my bag and attempt to find it. Clean-up was filled with total awesomeness after this.

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leftoftheboom November 29, 2012 at 3:43 pm

The best I have is our own loving CSM. Tried to get a CAB for a possible Radar Detection of a rocket. No impact, no boom, radar signature only. Demanded the recordings and the tapes from the BDOC.

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SD November 29, 2012 at 4:23 pm

I have met several CSM's, the one I respected enforced training and loved soldiers. He enforced training standards because he knew we were going into combat. Once we were in country, his main concern was for his soldiers. Not how they looked, but did they have what they needed to get the job done, morale, our health, etc. There was a shortage of 50 cals, we told him we needed them. He used his weight to get them and a dump truck full of ammo. He also went on ops so he knew what his men were dealing with. Then there is the other CSM I met. Iraq, 2004. We were doing hasty TCP's (traffic control points) looking for weapons and bad guys. 11 hour days in the 120 + degree sun and the always fun sniper rounds. We rolled into the FOB late one afternoon, we were at the clearing barrels. I was clearing my weapon, I had my sleaves rolled up two turns (did I mention it was over 120 degrees?) Guess who came around the corner and saw me clearing my weapon? He went nuts! I had to listen to him yell about uniform this and that for almost ten minutes. It must be nice to give out this kind of helpful advice to a soldier after you have just come out of the air conditoned BDOC. The nice thing about this CSM, we never saw him outside the wire!

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Namvet December 2, 2012 at 2:54 am

I've seen many high ranks doing nothing but paper work. Put a lprivate there and save money. Look at the E-8,E9 at Airforce One when the commander in Chief gets off the plane. A Sgt could do the same and save money. This country needs to stop the waste. Soldiers should be used for what there intended for. Fight wars,not sit around. A seasond war vet should be used to Guard the President not high ranking enlisted who may, or may not no how to fire a weapon from years of paper pushing. Get away from the showy type, and get down to reality. Namvet

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AP December 2, 2012 at 8:01 pm

Namvet, I understand what you're saying but you have to see it from a security standpoint, a seasoned war vet may and I extremely stress may for example lets say have PTSD and could mistake a fourth of july fireworks display for a memory he had while on tour in Iraq/Afghanistan and acidentally endanger the president in some way (directly or indirectly) thus making what would be a Routine event for a paperpusher a life and death event, and these things can go unoticed, the Guard in question may have passed both his physical and mental evaluations and never had an "episode" prior to this event but a small trigger, somthing no one else would notice: a baby crying, jets passing etc. could instigate a disasterous chain of events ultimatly resulting in a horrible outcome. anyway my point is that yes this is a very VERY unlikely scenario and yes not every Soldier,Sailor,Airman,Marine ends up geting PTSD I know this because out of all of my buds who have come back from tours in Iraq/Afganistan none of them were diagnosed or showed the symptoms of PTSD. but I belive their view is better safe than sorry, I also belive that the Gov. is wasting ALOT of Money on alot of USELESS things and this may be one of them but still we should really be looking at the REALLY EXPENSIVE things the govenment wastes money on an example: Collectivly TRILLONS!!! of dollars are spent on Projects that they end up cancelling halfway through (Worst Part is there are no refunds for a project cancelled halfway through) anyway (again!) you can agree with me or not in fact you could probably dissmiss everything I just wrote! considering I'm just a sixteen year old boy concerned with where this Country's money is going. you're respectful friend AP.

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Namvet December 3, 2012 at 3:07 am

Son, Your right and I appricate your attitude. Theres no right or wrong when good people are trying to save there nation. No matter what the step as longs as its forward for the betterment of the country, were all right. I'am not going to comment on the negative, you will learn as you get older. However having said that I must amit that possibly with this country in the hands of young boys/men with your attitude, my Generation can rest somewhat. You seem to be on tract and concerned. I hope and pray that Americans such as your self will rise and as Adam sadler, said give some whip ***, and get down to the peoples business. I used to say America right or wrong its our country,and if were wrong on something then acknowlede the wrong and strighten it out. I would hope that the future is in the hands of patriots who love our country. And again I don't no you, but you give me some encouragement with your statements. God bless you,our naton and the people who serve this country. Namvet

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